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Old 12-14-2009, 04:19 PM   #1
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Default engine cradle (subframe) interchangeability?

i have a 2001 sc2 with a bent engine cradle (subframe). i need to know what other years/models are an exact fit before going to the junkyard. i checked the swap guide, and someone said "i think" the radiator support changed in 93 or 94, but was hoping for something more definitive so i don't waste time and money. i would have posted in the swap guide but didn't want to clutter it up.

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Old 12-14-2009, 06:18 PM   #2
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95 and up will work. SC and SL models use the same subframe. Get a newer one so rust won't be an issue.

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Old 12-14-2009, 06:53 PM   #3
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Default Re: engine cradle (subframe) interchangeability?

I believe 93-02 to be exact...

But yeah, Go for a 3rd gen for sure, if you can find one.. (00-02 ish) just to get the newest frame possible of course.

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Old 12-14-2009, 06:54 PM   #4
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95 and up will work. SC and SL models use the same subframe. Get a newer one so rust won't be an issue.
thanks, i thought sc and sl would be the same. don't have to worry too much about rust here in florida. tomorrow is going to suck pulling this at the junkyard with no air tools

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Old 12-14-2009, 07:06 PM   #5
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Default Re: engine cradle (subframe) interchangeability?

I would not worry about how old of one you get as long as it is in good shape with no, or minimal rust.

I would spend my time cleaning it & putting a coat of POR 15 on it, or better yet, getting it powder coated esp if you plan to keep it for the long run.

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Old 12-16-2009, 07:53 AM   #6
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Pulling the cradle will be easy. Just brace the engine with a driveshaft you will find in the bed of any truck there. Glad to see someone close to where I live.

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Old 12-17-2009, 12:10 AM   #7
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Pulling the cradle will be easy. Just brace the engine with a driveshaft you will find in the bed of any truck there. Glad to see someone close to where I live.
Or just look for a car with the engine/tranny already removed. Then pulling the cradle will only take minutes.

And it'll be a 1994-2002. Dont get a 1991-1993. The radiator side mounts are at a diffferent height. And it can come from a sedan, coupe and wagon.

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Old 12-17-2009, 12:23 AM   #8
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Oh, and unless the donor parts look really bad, leave the sway bar and control arms on the donor cradle, and swap the whole assembly in. WAY less work.

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Old 10-30-2010, 11:44 AM   #9
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Default Re: engine cradle (subframe) interchangeability?

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And it'll be a 1994-2002. Dont get a 1991-1993. The radiator side mounts are at a diffferent height. And it can come from a sedan, coupe and wagon.
Sorry to bring this old thread back, but figured instead of making a new one I would just post in this one.

Long story short, I'm restoring my once magazine featured coupe from the ground up. Went to a salvage yard to pick up a super clean 92-93 engine cradle for my car which I had planned on swapping with my rusted, dented, ripped up one.

I should've taken a closer look at mine under the car, cause when I got home and compared I noticed they're slightly different.

I got it for a good price, it's clean as all hell and the guy at the salvage yard claimed it was off a 92, In fact just called him and he again insisted it was off a '92, it obviously isn't. So, I'd like to get this one to work/fit, and find out EVERYTHING I would to change to make it work, if it's even worth the hassle/cost. Finding a 92-93 cradle, in this pristine condition isn't going to happen. He said he would take it back if it won't work.

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Old 10-31-2010, 09:29 AM   #10
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Default Re: engine cradle (subframe) interchangeability?

That's a 94+ for sure, the bent rounded squished cross piece is the giveaway.

IIRC all you need is a matching radiator. Maybe the yard would give you one; I got a new one off ebay $30 plus $30 shipping.

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Old 10-31-2010, 09:34 AM   #11
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Default Re: engine cradle (subframe) interchangeability?

Thanks, yeah lowsaturn already confirmed for me the same info, A/C would've been an issue, but since I haven't had it in the car since 1997 it's a non issue. Plus I need a 92-92 driver side dogbone bracket which I'm sure I can easily find.

I want the whole thing powdercoated and ready to swap out with everything attached, control arms, swaybar..etc.

I saw a bunch of rad's on ebay, how's the cheapo radiator holding up for you?

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Old 11-01-2010, 09:49 AM   #12
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cheapo rad went in a car I flipped so no idea there.

the folding of the plastic end tanks around the aluminum core looked top notch though.

am sure its the same chinese factory that spits out spectras for autozone etc.

my only complaint was the little clip-nuts for mounting the condensor or whatever were loose in the box and I assumed they were missing so I pried the old ones off my old rad, LOL.

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Old 11-01-2010, 06:37 PM   #13
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I wish i had that subframe!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 11-09-2017, 02:52 PM   #14
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Will an engine cradle on a 1992 SL2 DOHC wIth AUTO trans ,

Fit on a 1993 SL2 DOHC with MANUAL trans ?

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Will an engine cradle on a 1992 SL2 DOHC wIth AUTO trans ,

Fit on a 1993 SL2 DOHC with MANUAL trans ?
Yes, 92 is same as 93, trans does not matter. The cradle is designed to accept either a SOHC or DOHC engine, and either an auto or manual trans. Makes line assembly a lot less complicated.

From the "swap" sticky post, at the top of this forum

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1994 and up engine cradles all swap interchangeably.
Sedan, wagon, coupe, SOHC, DOHC, auto, and manual cradles are all the same.

For 1991-1993.
1991, the mount provisions are different than other years.
1992/1993 puts the radiator in a different position.
You could use a 92/93 cradle in a later year car if you buy a 91-93 radiator.

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Old 11-14-2017, 04:39 AM   #16
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Just for the record, Most yards I've been to have interchangeability programs. They just push a button and can pull up any car part and what years fit.

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The radiator isn't much of a problem if you have zip-ties. Swap one way and it's tilted forward and sits almost flush with the top of the radiator support; swap the other way and it sits about 2in below where it should...no I don't remember which way is which.

The larger issue, apparently, is the transmission side dog-bone that's mounted on the cradle '91-'93ish and on the frame rail '93ish-'02 (only had 1 early '93's, don't entirely remember it but I also had tons of parts cars so had my own junkyard and so it was a non-issue). If you have drilling tools and probably a spare bolt it's still fairly easy to fix but much easier with the cradle out of the engine bay.

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