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Old 08-25-2017, 07:20 PM   #1
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I have a 2005 Saturn vue 4cyl.. and this morning the engine stalled multiple times on the way to work, first after backing out of the driveway, then while idling at stop signs. After the highway.. 20+ mile trip, multiple stops and the idle seemed fine.. no check engine light. Any suggestions?

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Old 08-26-2017, 05:27 AM   #2
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what transmisison? miles? what's new on it? basic maintenance performed lately has been?

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Old 08-26-2017, 12:57 PM   #3
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2.2L 144k miles new water pump and new o2 sensor. I believe a tune up was performed a few months ago I have to check after work.

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Old 08-26-2017, 03:21 PM   #4
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It's either fuel or ignition. One quick way to troubleshoot these random engine die offs might be spraying starting fluid into the throttle body as soon as the engine dies. Starting fluid supplies instant fuel if fuel failed momentarily but ignition remains working. If the engine starts up immediately, it's a fuel issue. If ignition fails the engine won't restart. A peculiar issue are the ignition system parts mounted directly on top of the engine, coil pack and ignition control module. The icm has a history of failing while the coil pack rarely fails.

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Old 08-27-2017, 12:56 PM   #5
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Thanks yea I cleaned the throttle body it was gunked up pretty bad. It ran home fine afterwards but this morning once again backing out of the drive way and switch to drive it got grumbly and stalled. Thinking about maybe running fuel system cleaner through, is that a good next step? Besides that how do I test if it's the icm?

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Old 08-27-2017, 01:22 PM   #6
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Read post #4 again. The icm is controlled by the engine computer; ecm commands icm to time ignition signals with the ignition coils switched by the icm. Starting fluid used after another engine dying episode will tell you which way to proceed.

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Old 08-28-2017, 09:42 AM   #7
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Well if it was the icm and not a fuel problem wouldn't there most likely be a check engine light on? What prevents that from coming on?

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There are error codes for many things and then there are none for; failing fuel pump, a worn out starter, holed muffler, backfiring, intake manifold gasket leak, loose throttle body, missing nuts and bolts on non electrical as well as electrical parts (connections), clogged radiator or heater, ac system leaks, dead cooling fan(s), faulty blower resistor card, etc.. The check engine light is great when its related to emissions control issues but there are more codes that won't be decoded by generic readers; chassis (C), network (U) and wrench codes. Up to last year, almost all generic readers can't decode abs, bcm, tcm, airbag and OnStar errors. Members found AutoZone upgrading their readers to decode abs errors. The remaining codes require either more expensive scantools or GM's Tech II. One particular error code does exist but rarely turns on the cel - a dead or intermittent crank sensor. Mine failed the same way as many others here in almost each Saturn model, intermittently. When it fails, its related to engine heat and kills the engine until the engine cools off. The starter works to turn over the engine but the engine never fires up until its cooled off. Once cooled off the engine roars back to life until it warms up again only to die off and repeat this cycle. No check engine light. The crank sensor is the equivalent of an electronic heart beat. How does a person know they're having a heart attack? The crank sensor provides precise clock signals to the ECM or PCM. Without this clock signal the ECM/PCM fails to operate the entire EFI system - fuel pump, ignition system for spark and injector pulses. The error code exists but rarely turns on the cel. A set of distinctive symptoms are the clues.

Since you haven't mentioned the cel turning on and using a reader to decode stored codes, this is one of those problems requiring old school diagnosing as suggested. Engines still run the same way before EFI systems became the most reliable way for engine management. Intermittent problems sometimes turn on the cel while others don't. Whether old school or new, problems without error codes still requires basic troubleshooting with an understanding of how an engine and EFI system runs.

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Old 08-29-2017, 11:15 PM   #9
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Well thanks for all the help, i ended up taking it to firestone and they diagnosed a bad icm and/or coilpack and I decided to get them replaced together so I could have them warrantied for the future. Seems to be okay now may report back if not in the morning on cold start.

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