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Old 01-14-2017, 11:11 PM   #1
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Default Saturn ion 2005 Brakes locking up

Hey everyone I have a quick question for you guys with more knowledge than me. I have a 2005 saturn ion with 113,000 miles on it. For a while now its been locking up only one tire when i brake (and I'm not braking way hard, like normal braking) Pretty much it cannot brake on the freeway or else it will lock up badly. What I've done to try and resolve this is bleeding the brakes and putting new fluids in there, but still no luck. Any suggestions ?? I'm completely lost on what else to do. Thanks again

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Old 01-15-2017, 02:40 AM   #2
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Hey everyone I have a quick question for you guys with more knowledge than me. I have a 2005 saturn ion with 113,000 miles on it. For a while now its been locking up only one tire when i brake (and I'm not braking way hard, like normal braking) Pretty much it cannot brake on the freeway or else it will lock up badly. What I've done to try and resolve this is bleeding the brakes and putting new fluids in there, but still no luck. Any suggestions ?? I'm completely lost on what else to do. Thanks again

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Which wheel is locking up? If it's one of the front wheels, check the caliper pins & boots. Make sure the pins are properly lubed up and moving freely. Use only high temp brake grease for this. You could also have bad brake hose. They will collapse and act like a check valve if they are bad, which would prevent a caliper from being released when you let up on the brake pedal. If it's a rear wheel, you probably have a bad wheel cylinder (assuming your Ion isn't a Red Line which has rear disc brakes) or a drum that is slightly out of round.

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Old 01-15-2017, 02:58 AM   #3
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Which wheel is locking up? If it's one of the front wheels, check the caliper pins & boots. Make sure the pins are properly lubed up and moving freely. Use only high temp brake grease for this. You could also have bad brake hose. They will collapse and act like a check valve if they are bad, which would prevent a caliper from being released when you let up on the brake pedal. If it's a rear wheel, you probably have a bad wheel cylinder (assuming your Ion isn't a Red Line which has rear disc brakes) or a drum that is slightly out of round.
The rear right tire is the one that is locking up should I just replace the whole drum assembly?

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Old 01-15-2017, 11:22 AM   #4
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The rear right tire is the one that is locking up should I just replace the whole drum assembly?
Yes, replace the whole drum. You could first try adjusting the brake shoes so it isn't quite as aggressive.

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Old 01-15-2017, 11:48 AM   #5
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The rear right tire is the one that is locking up should I just replace the whole drum assembly?
So that's the only one that's working and you want to replace it? I would look at the other threee corners,first, rebuild front calipers, andinspect / adjust the left rear brake so it brakes it's fair share.

Too soon to be throwing parts at it...

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Old 01-15-2017, 08:49 PM   #6
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So that's the only one that's working and you want to replace it? I would look at the other threee corners,first, rebuild front calipers, andinspect / adjust the left rear brake so it brakes it's fair share.

Too soon to be throwing parts at it...
Its the only tire that locks up so i think thats the problem

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Old 01-15-2017, 10:02 PM   #7
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Its the only tire that locks up so i think thats the problem
I agree. Billy's reasoning & advice makes no sense. I thought you made it pretty clear that the right rear wheel is locking up prematurely and the three others are working fine.

Something else that could be a factor is your front struts. If they are really worn this would cause more weight than normal to be transferred to the front wheels when braking. This would cause the rear wheels to lose traction & lock up a lot easier when braking.

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Old 01-15-2017, 11:25 PM   #8
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I agree. Billy's reasoning & advice makes no sense. I thought you made it pretty clear that the right rear wheel is locking up prematurely and the three others are working fine.

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If the other brakes work then why don't they lock up?. Asssuming they are working fine is no where quoted- quite the opposite.
It's been my experience that the one locking up is braking better than the other corners. I wouldn't asssume the others are 100%.

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Old 01-15-2017, 11:27 PM   #9
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Its the only tire that locks up so i think thats the problem
Brakes are supposed to brake. WHy aren't the other corners sharing the load?
WHen the others aren't working well and one is, well, you have this thread, maybe

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Old 01-16-2017, 12:19 AM   #10
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If the other brakes work then why don't they lock up?. Asssuming they are working fine is no where quoted- quite the opposite.
It's been my experience that the one locking up is braking better than the other corners. I wouldn't asssume the others are 100%.
I'm not sure that's what not making sense, only the back right one locks up. Maybe I should change out the whole drum assembly and see if that changes it

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Brakes are supposed to brake. WHy aren't the other corners sharing the load?
WHen the others aren't working well and one is, well, you have this thread, maybe
When used properly, brakes aren't supposed to lock up in most non-emergency/panic stop braking situations (aka "normal braking").

The offramp I encounter on my way home from work everyday is a good example. There's only about 300-400 feet of straight pavement between where I can start to merge onto the offramp and where the sharp curve starts. The posted speed on the offramp is 30 MPH. Despite the relatively short distance provided, only about 50-75% of braking power is needed to slow down from 70 MPH to 30 MPH in this distance. I don't need to floor the brake pedal to achieve this. The wheels shouldn't be locking up in this situation on dry (or even wet) pavement.

I believe the OP is experiencing [premature] brake lockup in a similar situation. The cause is either an excessive braking issue at that wheel or the tire isn't providing adequate traction, causing the wheel to require significantly less braking power than normal to lock it up.

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When used properly, brakes aren't supposed to lock up in most non-emergency/panic stop braking situations (aka "normal braking").

The offramp I encounter on my way home from work everyday is a good example. There's only about 300-400 feet of straight pavement between where I can start to merge onto the offramp and where the sharp curve starts. The posted speed on the offramp is 30 MPH. Despite the relatively short distance provided, only about 50-75% of braking power is needed to slow down from 70 MPH to 30 MPH in this distance. I don't need to floor the brake pedal to achieve this. The wheels shouldn't be locking up in this situation on dry (or even wet) pavement.

I believe the OP is experiencing [premature] brake lockup in a similar situation. The cause is either an excessive braking issue at that wheel or the tire isn't providing adequate traction, causing the wheel to require significantly less braking power than normal to lock it up.
If I were to panic brake (suddenly push the brake) the back right tire will lock for a couple of seconds and then either return normal or stay locked. In other situations like normal braking, it will be fine till a certain point then then back right will lock after pushing more, also if i keep pushing even more the tire will like LOCK up and the car will start drifting to the left. Thats the situation I'm in.
(Also if put the emergency brake goes on while going to a stop once again its only the back right tire that locks, don't know what it can be!)

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Front brakes provide the majority of stopping force and should haul down the car long before any rear wheel locks up.

WHy aren't the fronts working?
Have the calipers ever been rebuilt?
SLide pins inspected, greased or replaced?
Pads replaced/(brake)pistons/ bores inspected to ensure proper function?

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(Also if put the emergency brake goes on while going to a stop once again its only the back right tire that locks, don't know what it can be!)
YOur brakes are out of adjustment in the rear and your front's aren't sharing the load.

Ever had the brakes worked on ? When ?total MIles?
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If I were to panic brake (suddenly push the brake) the back right tire will lock for a couple of seconds and then either return normal or stay locked. In other situations like normal braking, it will be fine till a certain point then then back right will lock after pushing more, also if i keep pushing even more the tire will like LOCK up and the car will start drifting to the left. Thats the situation I'm in.
(Also if put the emergency brake goes on while going to a stop once again its only the back right tire that locks, don't know what it can be!)
It sounds to me like your rear brakes are out of adjustment. I actually have this same problem to a lesser degree. I don't notice it unless I intentionally lock up the brakes at highway speeds. In my case the right rear wheel locks up just a touch sooner than it should. The emergency brake works good (I use it all the time because the car is a stick shift), but again, the right rear locks up just a touch before the left if I engage it at speed.

I know that I need to at the very least adjust the shoes at that wheel. I plan to inspect and overhaul the rear brakes after it warms up a bit. My drums are seized on and I wasn't able to break them loose no matter how hard I beat on them last summer. I'm sure I just need a bigger hammer.

I just got new tires a couple months ago and that made a very noticeable difference in braking too. My front struts (Monroe Sensa-Tracs installed by the previous owner) seem to be a bit weak to which I know isn't helping.

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