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Old 12-14-2013, 10:38 PM   #41
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in this specific instance i was refering to the 2014 cadillac ATS engine line up.. also a 10.9 is basicly a 11 to 1 ratio and yes it would take the hoter faster regular fuel...all my info comes from gm service information the main repair info data/tec mainframe..things i post are out of the electronic fsm....for instance



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2014 Cadillac ATS | ATS VIN A Service Manual 5576614 | Engine/Propulsion | Engine Mechanical - 2.0L LTG or 2.5L LCV | Specifications | Document ID: 2745781
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Engine Mechanical Specifications (LCV)
Engine Mechanical Specifications Application
Specification

Metric
English

General Data

•Engine Type
Inline 4 Cylinder

•Displacement
2.5 L
152 CID

•RPO
LCV

•Liter (VIN)


•Bore
87.992–88.008 mm
3.4642–3.4649 in

•Stroke
101 mm
3.976 in

•Compression Ratio
11.20

•Spark Plug Gap
0.95–1.10 mm
0.037–0.043 in

Block

•Crankshaft Main Bearing Bore Diameter
60.862–60.876 mm
2.3961–2.3967 in

•Cylinder Bore Diameter
87.992–88.008 mm
3.4642–3.4649 in

•Cylinder Bore Out-of-Round – Maximum
0.013 mm
0.0005 in

•Cylinder Head Deck Surface Flatness – over 25 mm length
0.025 mm
0.001 in

•Cylinder Head Deck Surface Flatness – over 150 mm length
0.050 mm
0.002 in

Engine Block to Bedplate Flatness — overall
0.1 mm
0.0039 in

Engine Block to Bedplate Flatness — straightness
0.050 mm in 100 mm
0.002 in in 3.937 in

Piston Deck Height – Below Deck
1.105–1.675 mm
0.0435–0.0659 in

Camshaft

•Camshaft End Play
0.040–0.307 mm
0.0016–0.0121 in

•Camshaft Journal Diameter – Journal 1
34.935–34.960 mm
1.3754–1.3764 in

•Camshaft Journal Diameter – Journal 2 thru 5
26.935–26.960 mm
1.0604–1.0614 in

•Camshaft Thrust Width – Camshaft with Phaser installed
30.025–30.175 mm
1.1821–1.1880 in

•Camshaft Thrust Width – Cylinder Head
29.868–29.890 mm
1.1759–1.1768 in

Connecting Rod

•Connecting Rod Bearing to Crankpin Clearance
0.030–0.065 mm
0.0012–0.0026 in

•Connecting Rod Bore Diameter – Bearing End
52.118–52.134 mm
2.0519–2.05252 in

•Connecting Rod Bore Diameter – Pin End
20.007–20.017 mm
0.7877–0.7881 in

•Connecting Rod Side Clearance
0.070–0.370 mm
0.0028–0.0146 in

•Connecting Rod Straightness – Bend – Maximum
0.017 mm
0.0007 in

•Connecting Rod Straightness – Twist – Maximum
0.040 mm
0.0016 in

Crankshaft

•Connecting Rod Pin Diameter
48.999–49.015 mm
1.9291–1.9297 in

•Crankshaft End Play
0.040–0.270 mm
0.0016–0.0106 in

•Crankshaft Main Bearing Clearance
0.020–0.048 mm
0.0008–0.0019 in

•Crankshaft Main Journal Diameter
55.993–56.009 mm
2.2044–2.2051 in

Cylinder Head

•Surface Flatness – Block Deck – in 25 mm
0.025 mm
0.0001 in

•Surface Flatness – Block Deck – in 150 mm
0.050 mm
0.0019 in

•Surface Flatness – Block Deck – between bolts
0.030 mm
0.0012 in

•Surface Flatness – Block Deck – Overall
0.100 mm
0.0039 in

•Valve Guide Bore – Exhaust
6.000–6.020 mm
0.2362–0.2370 in

•Valve Guide Bore – Intake
6.000–6.020 mm
0.2362–0.2370 in

•Valve Lifter Bore Diameter – Stationary Lash Adjusters
12.008–12.030 mm
0.4728–0.4736 in

•Valve Seat Angle – Relief Surface
30 Degrees

•Valve Seat Angle – Seating Surface
45 Degrees

•Valve Seat Angle – Undercut Surface
60 Degrees

•Valve Seat Runout – Maximum
0.080 mm
0.0031 in

Lubrication System

•Oil Pressure – @700 RPM 100°C
154–220 kPa
22–32 psi

•Oil Capacity
4.7L
5.0 quarts

Piston Rings

•Piston Ring End Gap – Top
0.15–0.25 mm
0.006–0.010 in

•Piston Ring End Gap – Second
0.20–0.45 mm
0.008–0.018 in

•Piston Ring End Gap – Oil Control
0.15–0.65 mm
0.006–0.026 in

•Piston Ring to Groove Clearance – Top
0.04–0.08 mm
0.0015–0.0031 in

•Piston Ring to Groove Clearance – Second
0.030–0.070 mm
0.0012–0.0030 in

•Piston Ring to Groove Clearance – Oil Control
0.058–0.207 mm
0.0023–0.0081 in

•Piston Ring Thickness – Top
1.170–1.190 mm
0.0461–0.0469 in

•Piston Ring Thickness – Second
1.470–1.490 mm
0.0579–0.0587 in

•Piston Ring Thickness – Oil Control – Maximum
0.490 mm
0.0193 in

•Piston Ring Thickness – Oil Control – Spacer
0.929–1.006 mm
0.0366–0.0396 in

Pistons and Pins

•Pin – Piston Pin Clearance to Connecting Rod Bore
0.007–0.020 mm
0.0003–0.0008 in

•Pin – Piston Pin Clearance to Piston Pin Bore
0.002–0.010 mm
0.0001–0.0004 in

•Pin – Piston Pin Diameter
21.997–22.000 mm
0.8660–0.8661 in

•Pin – Piston Pin End Play
0.413–1.269 mm
0.0163–0.0500 in

•Piston – Piston Diameter – @14.8 mm up
87.968–87.982 mm
3.4633–3.4638 in

•Piston – Piston Pin Bore Diameter
22.002–22.007 mm
0.8662–0.8664 in

•Piston – Piston Ring Groove Width – Top
1.23–1.25 mm
0.0484–0.0492 in

•Piston – Piston Ring Groove Width – Second
1.52–1.54 mm
0.0598–0.0606 in

•Piston – Piston Ring Groove Width – Oil Control
2.01–2.03 mm
0.0791–0.0799 in

•Piston – Piston to Bore Clearance – w/polymer
−0.022–+0.024 mm
−0.0009–+0.0009 in

Valve System

•Valves – Valve Face Angle
45 Degrees

•Valves – Valve Face Runout – Maximum
0.040 mm
0.0016 in

•Valves – Valve Seat Runout – Maximum
0.080 mm
0.0031 in

•Valves – Valve Seat Gauge Ball Height – Exhaust
10.885–11.115 mm
0.4285–0.4376 in

•Valves – Valve Seat Gauge Ball Height – Intake
9.086–9.314 mm
0.3577–0.3667 in

•Valves – Valve Stem Diameter – Exhaust
5.945–5.965
0.2341–0.2348 in

•Valves – Valve Stem Diameter – Intake
5.955–5.975 mm
0.2344–0.2352 in

•Valves – Valve Stem Installed Height
Check and Record

•Valves – Valve Stem to Guide Clearance – Exhaust
0.035–0.075 mm
0.0013–0.0030 in

•Valves – Valve Stem to Guide Clearance – Intake
0.025–0.065 mm
0.0010–0.0026 in

•Valve Lash Adjusters – Valve Lash Adjuster Diameter – Stationary Lash Adjuster
11.986–12.000 mm
0.0005–0.0020 in

•Valve Lash Adjusters – Valve Lash-Adjuster-to-Bore Clearance – Stationary Lash Adjuster
0.013–0.051 mm
3.2210–3.2299 in

•Valve Springs – Valve Spring Installed Height
35.0 mm
1.3779 in

•Valve Springs – Valve Spring Load – Closed – @35 mm
247–273 N
56–61 lb

•Valve Springs – Valve Spring Load – Open – @24 mm
598–662 N
134–149 lb

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Old 12-14-2013, 10:39 PM   #42
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2014 Cadillac ATS | ATS VIN A Service Manual 5576614 | Engine/Propulsion | Engine Mechanical - 2.0L LTG or 2.5L LCV | Specifications | Document ID: 2775431
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Engine Mechanical Specifications (LTG)
Engine Mechanical Specifications Application
Specification

Metric
English

General Data

•Engine Type
Inline 4 Cylinder

•Displacement
2.0 L
122 CID

•RPO
LTG

•Liter (VIN)


•Bore
85.992–86.008 mm
3.3855–3.3861 in

•Stroke
86 mm
3.386 in

•Compression Ratio
9.50

•Spark Plug Gap
0.95–1.10 mm
0.037–0.043 in

Block

•Crankshaft Main Bearing Bore Diameter
60.862–60.876 mm
2.3961–2.3967 in

•Cylinder Bore Diameter
85.992–86.008 mm
3.3855–3.3861 in

•Cylinder Bore Out-of-Round – Maximum
0.013 mm
0.0005 in

•Cylinder Head Deck Surface Flatness – over 25 mm length
0.025 mm
0.001 in

•Cylinder Head Deck Surface Flatness – over 150 mm length
0.050 mm
0.002 in

Engine Block to Bedplate Flatness — overall
0.1 mm
0.0039 in

Engine Block to Bedplate Flatness — straightness
0.050 mm in 100 mm
0.002 in in 3.937 in

Piston Deck Height — Below Deck
1.155–1.725 mm
0.0455–0.0679 in

Camshaft

•Camshaft End Play
0.040–0.307 mm
0.0016–0.0121 in

•Camshaft Journal Diameter – Journal 1
34.935–34.960 mm
1.3754–1.3764 in

•Camshaft Journal Diameter – Journal 2 thru 5
26.935–26.960 mm
1.0604–1.0614 in

•Camshaft Thrust Width – Camshaft with Phaser installed
30.025–30.175 mm
1.1821–1.1880 in

•Camshaft Thrust Width – Cylinder Head
29.868–29.890 mm
1.1759–1.1768 in

Connecting Rod

•Connecting Rod Bearing to Crankpin Clearance
0.030–0.073 mm
0.0012–0.0029 in

•Connecting Rod Bore Diameter – Bearing End
52.118–52.134 mm
2.0519–2.05252 in

•Connecting Rod Bore Diameter – Pin End
24.007–24.017 mm
0.9452–0.9455 in

•Connecting Rod Side Clearance
0.070–0.370 mm
0.0028–0.0146 in

•Connecting Rod Straightness – Bend – Maximum
0.017 mm
0.0007 in

•Connecting Rod Straightness – Twist – Maximum
0.040 mm
0.0016 in

Crankshaft

•Connecting Rod Pin Diameter
48.999–49.015 mm
1.9291–1.9297 in

•Crankshaft End Play
0.040–0.270 mm
0.0016–0.0106 in

•Crankshaft Main Bearing Clearance
0.020–0.048 mm
0.0008–0.0019 in

•Crankshaft Main Journal Diameter
55.993–56.009 mm
2.2044–2.2051 in

Cylinder Head

•Surface Flatness – Block Deck – in 25 mm
0.025 mm
0.0001 in

•Surface Flatness – Block Deck – in 150 mm
0.050 mm
0.0019 in

•Surface Flatness – Block Deck – between bolts
0.030 mm
0.0012 in

•Surface Flatness – Block Deck – Overall
0.100 mm
0.0039 in

•Valve Guide Bore – Exhaust
6.000–6.020 mm
0.2362–0.2370 in

•Valve Guide Bore – Intake
6.000–6.020 mm
0.2362–0.2370 in

•Valve Lifter Bore Diameter – Stationary Lash Adjusters
12.008–12.030 mm
0.4728–0.4736 in

•Valve Seat Angle – Relief Surface
30 Degrees

•Valve Seat Angle – Seating Surface
45 Degrees

•Valve Seat Angle – Undercut Surface
60 Degrees

•Valve Seat Runout – Maximum
0.080 mm
0.0031 in

Lubrication System

•Oil Pressure – @700 RPM 100°C
140–200 kPa
20–29 psi

•Oil Capacity — 2WD
4.7L
5.0 quarts

•Oil Capacity — 4WD/AWD
5.7L
6.0 quarts

Piston Rings

•Piston Ring End Gap – Top
0.20–0.35 mm
0.008–0.014 in

•Piston Ring End Gap – Second
0.35–0.55 mm
0.014–0.022 in

•Piston Ring End Gap – Oil Control
0.25–0.75 mm
0.010–0.030 in

•Piston Ring to Groove Clearance – Top
0.04–0.08 mm
0.0015–0.0031 in

•Piston Ring to Groove Clearance – Second
0.030–0.070 mm
0.0012–0.0030 in

•Piston Ring to Groove Clearance – Oil Control
0.024–0.176 mm
0.0009–0.0069 in

•Piston Ring Thickness – Top
1.170–1.190 mm
0.0461–0.0469 in

•Piston Ring Thickness – Second
1.470–1.490 mm
0.0579–0.0587 in

•Piston Ring Thickness – Oil Control – Rail
0.447–0.473 mm
0.0176–0.0186 in

•Piston Ring Thickness – Oil Control – Spacer
0.960–1.040 mm
0.0378–0.0409 in

Pistons and Pins

•Pin – Piston Pin Clearance to Connecting Rod Bore
0.007–0.020 mm
0.0003–0.0008 in

•Pin – Piston Pin Clearance to Piston Pin Bore
0.005–0.013 mm
0.0002–0.0005 in

•Pin – Piston Pin Diameter
23.997–24.000 mm
0.9448–0.9449 in

•Pin – Piston Pin End Play
0.263–1.164 mm
0.0104–0.0458 in

•Piston – Piston Diameter – @14.8 mm up
85.968–85.982 mm
3.3846–3.3851 in

•Piston – Piston Pin Bore Diameter
24.005–24.010 mm
0.9451–0.9453 in

•Piston – Piston Ring Groove Width – Top
1.23–1.25 mm
0.0484–0.0492 in

•Piston – Piston Ring Groove Width – Second
1.52–1.54 mm
0.0598–0.0606 in

•Piston – Piston Ring Groove Width – Oil Control
2.01–2.03 mm
0.0791–0.0799 in

•Piston – Piston to Bore Clearance – w/polymer
−0.022 to +0.024 mm
−0.0009 to +0.0009 in

Valve System

•Valves – Valve Face Angle
45 Degrees

•Valves – Valve Face Runout – Maximum
0.040 mm
0.0016 in

•Valves – Valve Seat Runout – Maximum
0.080 mm
0.0031 in

•Valves – Valve Seat Gauge Ball Height – Exhaust
12.746–12.976 mm
0.4912–0.5038 in

•Valves – Valve Seat Gauge Ball Height – Intake
12.425–12.653 mm
0.4892–0.4981 in

•Valves – Valve Stem Diameter – Exhaust
5.945-5.965 mm
0.2341–0.2348 in

•Valves – Valve Stem Diameter – Intake
5.955–5.975 mm
0.2344–0.2352 in

•Valves – Valve Stem Installed Height
Check and Record

•Valves – Valve Stem to Guide Clearance – Exhaust
0.038–0.082 mm
0.0015–0.0032 in

•Valves – Valve Stem to Guide Clearance – Intake
0.030–0.057 mm
0.0012–0.0022 in

•Valve Lash Adjusters – Valve Lash Adjuster Diameter – Stationary Lash Adjuster
11.986–12.000 mm
0.0005–0.0020 in

•Valve Lash Adjusters – Valve Lash-Adjuster-to-Bore Clearance – Stationary Lash Adjuster
0.013–0.051 mm
3.2210–3.2299 in

•Valve Springs – Valve Spring Installed Height
35.0 mm
1.3779 in

•Valve Springs – Valve Spring Load – Closed – @35 mm
247–273 N
56–61 lb

•Valve Springs – Valve Spring Load – Open – @24 mm
598–662 N
134–149 lb

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Old 12-14-2013, 10:48 PM   #43
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....... ..B]also premum only engines have a lower comp ratio a regular moter is like 10 to 1 a preumum moter is like 8 to 1 for an example also you will find that pemum only engines are smaller in displacement.. for example out new ats is a 2.5L regular fuel naturaly asperated sidi engine with a 11 to 1 compression ratio while the trubo charged 2.0Lrunning premum is a 9&1/2 to 1 ratio...hth
So I'm reading this incorrectly?

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Old 12-14-2013, 10:57 PM   #44
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while im not gods gift to mechanics or some kinds premadonna the info i post about or thing i referance are from the si database...if it's wrong well that would not be the 1st time nor will it be the last as we in the feild have found out the hard way... so to answer your question i get my info from gm

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I'm not disputing your information from GM's database (I think you're a great asset to Saturnfans) as much as your wording didn't come across the way I think you were trying to put forth.

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.also premum only engines have a lower comp ratio a regular moter is like 10 to 1 a preumum moter is like 8 to 1 for an example also you will find that pemum only engines are smaller in displacement.. for example out new ats is a 2.5L regular fuel naturaly asperated sidi engine with a 11 to 1 compression ratio while the trubo charged 2.0Lrunning premum is a 9&1/2 to 1 ratio...hth
Being that adding any compressor essentially makes the engine have variable compression pressures, it acts much the same under boost as if you had increased the compression ratio. That is the primary reason that boosted applications usually have a lower base compression ratio.

Compression is one of the major factors that often requires an engine to have a need for higher octane, with higher compression having a greater need for higher octane. In the case of a boosted application, the actual compression ratio remains the same, but the cylinders are filled beyond what a naturally aspirated intake system can achieve.

Timing control is another factor, and even engines designed with compression ratios low enough to run fine on 87 octane fuel may need higher octane when the timing tables are altered to be more aggressive. This is done on a regular basis for performance tunes.


There is more to the overall pictures than just the basics when it comes to a need for higher octane.

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if as you say... then why the difference between the lcv and ltg 4cyc wngine they are the same size exteranly share the same block&head set up the only difference is 1 is a bigger displacement for natural asperation????i don't pretend to be a performance geek.. i deal with the turbo's and superchargers as i have to..gm seems to like them in some applacations...there is also the instance of the 3.6L v6 and the 2.8 turbo version of 3.6L agani same size externaly. lower comp ratio..only bore/stroke and pistion size the difference oh and the 2010 2.8Lturbo requires premum....as well as the ats 2.0.. the other engines in these applications use regular....

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