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Old 07-03-2009, 02:30 PM   #1
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Default 1996 SC1 timing chain and other issues

Hi,

I am a newbie. This is my first time posting a thread. Anyway, I just purchased a 1996 SC1 (128,00 miles on it)from a friend that just wanted to get the car out of his driveway. He sold it to me for $250. He has not used the car for over a year. I replaced the battery and the car started up. So far I have changed the spark plugs and wires, the pcv valve, the fuel filter and put new front brakes and rotors. I probably have like $400 invested in it. The car has been giving me idling issues in which when I slow down to a redlight, the idle will sometimes drop too low that the car will stall, and sometimes it will catch and won't stall. I took it to the dealer to get a full diagnostic test and all they came up with was that my coolant temperature sensor reading was 10-12 degrees off, and that my QDM output circuits were possible open, but they checked them and they were fine. Also, the dealer recommmended that I change my timing chain because of "excessive play" which you can hear a ticking noise when the car idles. I now have recently put in techron fuel injection cleaner to see if it would help problems because the car was sitting for so long. The car now seems to be idling better and the idle seems to be "catching" itself when i come to a complete stop. Anyhow, i was wondering if anyone would have any information on possible reasons i could be having idling problems, and and estimated price on what a mechanic would charge for a timing chain replacement. Thanks..

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Old 07-03-2009, 05:53 PM   #2
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Default Re: 1996 SC1 timing chain and other issues

Idle air control valve and EGR valve. Both can cause idles troubles.
My EGR valve was sticking. the shaft somehow would get carbon build up? or it was just too tight. I finally cured it by taking toothpaste watered down a little and my drill, coated the shaft valve area and spinning the inner valve to loosen up the sticky shaft. It helped mine so much I dont have a stick EGR valve anymore. It truly was sticky, you could push the spring loaded valve in and it would not pop back out. I do think it had a code.

The symptom was I was driving along and the car would start missing, loose power and when coming to a stop would idle rough and low and then stall. strangely, you could restart and the problem was gone. I must have cleaned it 10 times before doing the toothpaste grind. It has not messed up since in over 10000 miles.

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Old 07-03-2009, 11:14 PM   #3
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Idle air control valve and EGR valve. Both can cause idles troubles.
^^^^^Do this SECOND. First replace the ECTS. Replace the connector also if it has corrosion on it.

A new chain kit is $68 on ebay or more from other places. Depends on your preference. I had no issues with the ebay ones. Others have.

Expect to pay at least 400 to have it done I would say. This is a guess based on past members as I have never brought the car to a mechanic before.

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Old 07-06-2009, 10:12 PM   #4
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So I replaced the ECTS and checked the connector which seemed fine. I also cleaned the throttle body and replaced the IAC valve. The car seems to be idling much better. I am wondering other then the timing chain, why my engine could be ticking? I would hate to pay to have the timing chain replaced and then the car still makes the noise.

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Old 07-07-2009, 07:24 PM   #5
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timing chains rattle, lifters tick.

check your lifters, they can be taking apart and cleaned

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Old 07-08-2009, 07:57 PM   #6
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If you search around, you can find a few posts where people have links to videos or mp3 snippets of a bad timing chain. You can compare that to the sound your engine is making. there's probably a richpin video in the How to Library or search YouTube under richpin06a

Like jamie930 said, most people refer to the timing chain sound as a rattle, chatter, clatter, etc., and someone said it sounds like a miniature diesel engine. Other common sources for a rattle are: heatshields, belt tensioner, pulleys, and oversized serpentine belts

Also, try to isolate where the sound is coming from. Use a mechanic's stethoscope, available relatively cheaply, or something similar.

If you have the time, space, some basic hand tools, the timing chain replacement is within the realm of an average DIYer. Seeing what you've already done without resorting to asking questions leads me to believe you can do it (assuming you have the time, space, etc).

I'm about 1/3 through my timing chain replacement... taking it very slow

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Old 07-21-2009, 04:43 PM   #7
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Update...I had the timing chain replaced today, cost me about $700 from a local mechanic. He showed me the broken tensioner. The car now runs sooooo much quieter.

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Hi.. I am new to posting here and am desperate for help.. I have this same car but 97. It won't crank. So my mechanic looked at it. Tried to crank it and said it sounded like the timing chain. I have successfully had him work on all my stuff but he's too busy with work to get it in. I can't wait any more so I'm ready to just try it myself. The only things I'm finding online is about the DOHC version. Any help, advice, videos or diagrams would be great.. Thanks in advance..

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