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Old 01-06-2008, 12:40 AM   #21
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I have to assume it didn't take but how that is possible I am not sure. It just doesn't shift right period. My '08 CTS has quite possibly the best auto tranny I have sampled and I have had and still have a lot of cars. What I don't get is I had a '05 STS with the same engine as the Outlook but it had a 5sp auto which was wonderful. I understand the marketing need for a 6spd so I guess that's progress. It's due for a service anyway so I'll have them re-flash again.
FWD vs. RWD, so of course totally different transmissions. GM never had a five-speed auto for FWD cars, they went straight from four to six.

Six is viable as long as they get the programming right. Most people seem happy with it now.

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Old 01-06-2008, 01:13 PM   #22
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GM never had a five-speed auto for FWD cars, they went straight from four to six.
No, GM never had a GOOD 5-speed auto. ION sedan had one from 2003/2004 from Aisin that had issues. Equinox and VUE also have had 5-speed autos but VUEs was Honda-derived, not sure about the 'nox. Call 'em SUVs all you want, they were and are tall cars.

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Old 01-08-2008, 08:21 AM   #23
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The latest update was released before the 08's were even built, so no need to look for an update if you have an 08.
That's too bad. They don't have it fixed in the '08's! I sure hope GM has something coming soon! GM cannot afford this kind of glaring mis-step, on an otherwise excellent vehicle. This is by far the worst shifting transmission in any vehicle I have ever driven. If the transmission is in full auto mode it actually tries to drive in top gear at as low as 1100 rpm? It is impossible to adjust your speed without a couple of gear changes. and the delay in doing so is dangerous IMO. In the quest for the best EPA Lab test, they provided a shifting program that is not compatible with an AWD vehicle of this size and weight and an engine with limited torque at low rpms.

At the very least, GM probably should have provided a shorter final drive ratio with the AWD's

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Old 01-08-2008, 04:44 PM   #24
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FWD vs. RWD, so of course totally different transmissions. GM never had a five-speed auto for FWD cars, they went straight from four to six.

Six is viable as long as they get the programming right. Most people seem happy with it now.

Side note on that 2008 CTS: I've got 39 owners signed up so far to participate in TrueDelta's research. Might have enough responses for preliminary results next month. One more would help...

Be happy to participate....let me know how to get in touch with you.

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Old 01-08-2008, 08:12 PM   #25
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No, GM never had a GOOD 5-speed auto. ION sedan had one from 2003/2004 from Aisin that had issues. Equinox and VUE also have had 5-speed autos but VUEs was Honda-derived, not sure about the 'nox. Call 'em SUVs all you want, they were and are tall cars.
The 'nox box was also Aisin. I should have been more specific and said that GM never MADE a FWD five-speed automatic. As you say, they did BUY some from Aisin and Honda.

The made a RWD five-speed automatic, used in some Cadillac models and also supplied to BMW.

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Old 03-24-2008, 10:36 PM   #26
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I recently purchased an 08 Outlook XR 2wd. I've experienced the transmission hunting I've read so much about on this site. Are you sure there is not a reflash for the '08s as the problem seems to be the same as the 2007 models? Thanks


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Old 03-25-2008, 12:19 PM   #27
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I have an 07 XE and have had the reflash. This past weekend we took it to the mountains (Big Bear, CA). When it was time to start going up hill the trans was a nightmare in auto mode. The road has numerous tight turns and cutbacks that require a slow speed to navigate. Coming out of a tight slow turn most of the time it would be in third gear and start bogging then hesitate and jump into 2nd gear just in time to slow down for the next turn. Used manual mode the rest of the way up going between 2nd and 3rd and it worked great. Coming back down, the hill assist would sometimes work but it seemed to engage at the wrong times so it was back to manual for the dowhill run. In normal driving there is an ocassional delay sometimes it can frustrating. Quick lane changes at slow speeds can be scary when you push the go pedal and nothing really happens for about 2 seconds, almost like you are running out of gas.

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Old 03-27-2008, 11:13 AM   #28
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Now I'm having tranny problems too, after the most recent re-flash for the 2007. At highway speeds, if I put my foot on the gas, nothing happens until I get almost to the floor, at which point the transmission shifts all the way down to 4th (and sometimes 3rd!). After about a 2-second pause, the engine catches up, and I can accelerate.

As soon as I start easing off the gas, it drops all the way back to 6th. There appears to be no way (outside of shifting into L) to maintain *moderate* acceleration!

This doesn't appear to happen at lower speeds; It appears to only happen when I'm going 80km/h or faster. It's extremely annoying...

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Old 03-29-2008, 08:32 AM   #29
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I recently purchased an 08 Outlook XR 2wd. I've experienced the transmission hunting I've read so much about on this site. Are you sure there is not a reflash for the '08s as the problem seems to be the same as the 2007 models? Thanks


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There IS a reflash for the '08's. I just had mine done a couple of days ago. The transmission operation is improved. The transmission allows for more rpm's and more throttle input before trying to upshift so the vehicle feels more responsive when driving around town with less gear hunting. On the highway it will accept more throttle before downshifting from 6th. Overall I'd say that transmission operation is now "acceptable" Mine is AWD so hopefully there will also be new program for FWD too.

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Old 03-29-2008, 04:07 PM   #30
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There IS a reflash for the '08's. I just had mine done a couple of days ago. The transmission operation is improved. The transmission allows for more rpm's and more throttle input before trying to upshift so the vehicle feels more responsive when driving around town with less gear hunting. On the highway it will accept more throttle before downshifting from 6th. Overall I'd say that transmission operation is now "acceptable" Mine is AWD so hopefully there will also be new program for FWD too.
Did it have any impact on fuel economy? Many have claimed their fuel economy dropped somewhat after the reflash.

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Old 03-31-2008, 03:11 PM   #31
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We didn't see any measurable impact. It seemed like it went down at first, but now we're seeing slightly higher numbers than before, so I think overall there really wasn't much of a change.

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Old 07-26-2009, 04:14 PM   #32
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I have a 2008 XR AWD. This transmission programming is a nightmare! It is always in the wrong gear. I find that I have to shift it manually and as another poster has mentioned and keep it in 4th gear around town. Mine shifts into third so early that it is dangerous to drive smoothly among traffic. Another problem is that it won't hold 6th at highway speeds if there is a slight uphill or headwind I have to keep it in 5th or else it downshifts constantly and then immediately back up again. It doesn't just downshift to 5th, but more like a 4.5 gear or something. So on the highway it goes like this.... cruising along @ 1900 rpm, here comes a slight uphill that you can barely see, downshift to 3100 rpm (vehicle lunges ahead) followed by immediate upshift to 2500 rpm and then another upshift back to 1900rpm. ... a few minutes later and it does it all again. The only way to avoid this is to drive in 5th, unless you have a tailwind or are driving downhill. HEY GM, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER! When people tell me they are considering an Outlook/Acadia/Enclave. I tell them to forget it! go buy something else!!
I hope GM does something about this real soon. I am generally impressed with the Outlook but this transmission shifting is a bad joke!!
Well its been a long time since, but I thought I'd come back with an update. My transmission problem is FINALLY RESOLVED!!! It has taken numerous updates and constant complaining but GM has a fix. If you are having the issue I describe above get your Dealer to reprogram the transmission according to TSB # 08-07-30-022A.

After 20 months and a ton of aggravation trying to resolve this crappy transmission programming, it has finally been resolved. After going through this experience however I will probably never by GM again.

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No, GM never had a GOOD 5-speed auto. ION sedan had one from 2003/2004 from Aisin that had issues. Equinox and VUE also have had 5-speed autos but VUEs was Honda-derived, not sure about the 'nox. Call 'em SUVs all you want, they were and are tall cars.
The 'Nox used the Aisin AF-33 5-speed automatic. The Suzuki XL7 also used it with the 3.6L engine until 2009 when they used the GM 6-speed automatic. The 2009 'Nox Sport got the 3.6L and GM 6-speed automatic. The 'Nox's with the 3.4L Chinese built engines still get the Aisin AF-33 5-speed automatic.

The Honda automatic is a good automatic, but you have to change the fluid every 25k miles. Truthfully changing the fluid in every automatic every 25k miles or yearly is an excellent pro-active maintenance routine.

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i had an 08 that i purchased 7/13/07. an update for transmission came out for it. actual;ly never did have it done because it was fine but there was one for it.

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