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Old 08-19-2010, 02:24 PM   #1
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Default Problem with start the car

my lady friends recently had her faceplace stolen off of her 1998 S line Saturn series (I believe that's correct). Last night she deiced to buy a whole new deck from target and then her and her female roommate could just put it in. Long story short the car won't start now. and it's hard for me to have a opinion on the matter due to the fact that i don't have knowledge of what occur or what is going on. So im hoping to get some advice on the matter. But here are the facts as of this morning.

1. The car won't start but the battery will click when the key is turn. I also tried to jump the car overall but that did not help at all. the lights and the fans still work.
2. I checked the fuses for the ignition but they all checked out as being okay.
3.when you press the unlock button on the drivers side door the car will lock instead of unlocking. not sure about the passenagers side of the car.
4. i tried to disconnect the battery to reset the computer system.
5. the new deck is connect using all the wires but also will not work

Im going up to a cabin today so i can't check the car more but on sunday i will taking a battery tester to see if the battery is good or not. Something that could be the problem is the saturn security system. They did not disconnect the battery when they started to work on the car.
So if anyone has any input i would greatly enjoy hearing it.

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Old 08-19-2010, 05:11 PM   #2
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First, decommission the radio. We can get back to its proper installation later, once the no-start is addressed. It's possible the radio installation has blown a fuse somewhere, or done some electrical damage that has disabled the starter circuit.

With the radio decommissioned, check EVERY fuse in BOTH fuse boxes. Esp. check the big "maxifuses" in the underhood fuse box.

The battery can't click. It's just a chemical store of electrical energy. But it is important to know where the click is coming from. Is it coming from under the dash, or under the hood?

As for the power locks, that could be a faulty switch on the driver's door; they're notorious for failing due to wear. For the time being, remove the LOCKS fuse. It's possible the power locks are constantly energized, draining the battery. Once again, once we've resolved the no-start, we can address this as a separate issue.

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Old 08-29-2010, 09:25 AM   #3
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Default Re: Problem with start the car

I am the lady friend referred to in the first post. I decommissioned the radio, removed the LOCKS fuse, and checked all of the fuses, which all seem to be good. The maxifuses are the big 30 amp fuses, correct? (I assume so, because all of the other fuses are significantly smaller)

Also, the clicking is coming from the dash, not the hood as far as I can tell. The car is still doing the same thing where all the lights and everything work, but the engine won't start. Is it possible that the battery is dead?

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Old 08-29-2010, 10:00 AM   #4
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Yes, the battery may be dead and a voltmeter can be used to measure battery voltage. There's also the possibility that your keyless remote disabled the starting circuit; '98's have the basic starter interrupt circuit that disables the starter from operating as a basic theft deterrent device. A relay under the driver side dash is used to disable the starting circuit and sometimes hangs up, preventing a start. The remote must be used to Unlock the doors as it simultaneously enables the starting relay to allow starting. Once the remote unlock button is pressed the relay becomes energized to allow starting. Rap the relay once or twice to help the internal contacts connect and try starting again. Either the battery is dead or this relay is preventing starting. A partially dead battery will make the starter relay (the large one on the starter itself) click loudly while not having enough power to run the starter motor.

Check the battery and battery cable connections to be sure they are in good condition. Normal battery voltage will be around 12.5v. Lights do nothing to prove a dead battery as starters use anywhere from 50-150amps of current to run a starter. Lights use less than 10amps and don't demonstrate battery capacity to run a starter.

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Old 09-21-2010, 12:50 PM   #5
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This sounds like the exact same problem I had with my car and I know this may seem like an unusual solution, but I found the problem was the horn fuse. I found it had blown and so I replaced it and my car started again. I took the fuse out and the car wouldnt start. I put it back in and it started again.

It wouldnt hurt to check. The fuse is behind the panel by the passengers left leg.

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Old 09-21-2010, 02:09 PM   #6
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The horn fuse is in the under-hood fuse box. And unless you have a serious underlying electrical problem, there's no way it can cause a no-start.

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Old 09-21-2010, 07:33 PM   #7
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'98's have the basic starter interrupt circuit that disables the starter from operating as a basic theft deterrent device.
I thought it killed the fuel pump? I seem to remember locking my car with the fob, then losing the fob. The engine would turn over, but no fire until I was able to disable the fob.

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Old 09-21-2010, 08:09 PM   #8
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Nope. According to the wiring diagram, this starter interrupt is strictly in the starting circuit. No fuel disable wiring involved. If I'm not mistaken the '98 is the second generation(?) Saturn that acquired the beginnings of theft deterrent systems. The L-series became the third generation inheriting GM's Passlock theft deterrent system that does disable the fuel pump.

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I thought it killed the fuel pump? I seem to remember locking my car with the fob, then losing the fob. The engine would turn over, but no fire until I was able to disable the fob.
Aftermarket, maybe. But the fuel pump / security interface didn't come in until 2000, gen-3.

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Old 09-22-2010, 08:51 AM   #10
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Yup, I have absolutely no idea how the fuse for the horn could possibly cause this. Nor do any of my 4 mechanic friends. But as I said, we confirmed this by taking the fuse out completely and then all 3 of these problems happened again. We put the fuse back in and it worked.

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Old 09-22-2010, 11:03 AM   #11
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But whatever fuse you removed was NOT the horn fuse, since the horn fuse is under the hood.

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Old 09-24-2010, 02:02 PM   #12
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hmm, perhaps you are correct. The fuse is labelled chime fuse on the panel, i just assumed it was the horn fuse as thats what I was looking for and chime was the closest thing I could find to what I could relate to a horn. When I was first working on the car I didnt know there was another fuse box under the hood.

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Old 09-26-2010, 11:02 PM   #13
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That's the CHIME fuse. It energizes the CHIME module (and, somewhat inexplicably, in the '97-'99 cars, the starter relay). It has nothing to do with the horn. The horn fuse is, expectedly, marked HORN.

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