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Old 05-12-2009, 03:40 PM   #1
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Default 99 SL1 Manual won't go into gear

I'm helping out a friend with his 99 SL1, and it's got an issue that's a bit out of my line of experience.

When the car is not running, the shifter feels fine. Once your start it though, it is hard to get into gear. The stick still moves smoothly, but it resists going into most gears, as if it wasn't ready.

When I tested it, I got it into first after almost a minute of trying, but couldn't get it into second at all, and ended up parking it in reverse (the only gear it wanted to go into)

Some observations:
  • The cables look fine. No signs of tearing, and the clips are intact. No signs of fraying, tearing, or other damage.
  • The shifter also looks normal. he is using an aftermarket bushing, but it's holding.
  • The clutch feels normal. The owner hasn't had any problems with gears grinding, or other signs of the clutch not fully engaging.
  • He first had this problem only with 3rd gear, but it has gradually begun affecting all gears. He seems able to drive it, but I was barely able to get it moving. He notes that it seems random, unaffected by drive duration or temps.

I suspect the syncros are shot, but I'm hoping for better ideas.

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Old 05-12-2009, 03:52 PM   #2
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Default Re: 99 SL1 Manual won't go into gear

Miles on the car?
Does he hold the clutch pedal down while at stop lights or long periods of rest?

Check the clutch hydraulics via Barnowls how-to.
More than likely it is the pressure plate with worn fingers. A new LUK clutch assembly from Clutchcities.com will do the trick

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Old 05-12-2009, 03:57 PM   #3
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Default Re: 99 SL1 Manual won't go into gear

It's sitting around 160k IIRC.

I don't know if he holds the petal, I'll ask him next time. I didn't do a full inspection of the hydraulics, but the clutch felt fine the two times I did get it into gear.

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Old 05-12-2009, 03:57 PM   #4
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The diagnostics are at:
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94634

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Push in the clutch.

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Old 05-12-2009, 05:37 PM   #6
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Default Re: 99 SL1 Manual won't go into gear

The gears may (sometimes) grind when the clutch doesn't fully DISengage. If the clutch isn't fully engaging, it will slip, so that's unlikely to be the problem. Try the above-referenced diagnostics, starting with the "creep" test. If you think it's the synchros, try double-clutching and report the results.

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