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Old 04-26-2009, 01:54 PM   #1
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Sad Very Weird Problem - Clutch Won't Engage

Hello. I have done some searching on the forums but haven't been able to find a solution yet:

Just bought a 1995 SL2 5 speed. Drove great during test drive and on the way home. Clutch and shifter both felt good, no problems. Driving last night, still no problems. Then I pulled up at a stoplight, it turned green so i put it in 1st and let the clutch out: nothing. It wouldn't engage in any gear. Had to get a tow home and now it's sitting in my driveway, useless. I checked several things: transmission fluid is good, shifter bushing is secure, shifter cable linkages to the tranny are solid. With the car running, I can shift into first and release the clutch without gassing it at all, but nothing happens, no grinding or noise of any kind. I find it hard to believe that my clutch or tranny just blew out at a stoplight, but I don't know.

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Old 04-26-2009, 02:21 PM   #2
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Default Re: Very Weird Problem - Clutch Won't Engage

In first gear with the car on and the clutch pedal in its resting position, the car does not stall?

Check your hydraulics. Barnowl has a write up in the how-to section.

How does the shifter feel? any different? can it get into all gears with the car off?

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Old 04-26-2009, 02:51 PM   #3
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Default Re: Very Weird Problem - Clutch Won't Engage

thanks for your reply!

With the car running, in first gear, clutch in resting position, car does not stall.

The shifter feels pretty normal and i can shift into all gears with the car off.

I will try to check the hydraulics

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Old 04-26-2009, 03:05 PM   #4
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Default Re: Very Weird Problem - Clutch Won't Engage

Engine running. Check to see if you can go into gear without touching the clutch pedal.

If you can then you have a mechanical problem. IE clutch is bad, broken axle, broken CV joint.

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Old 04-26-2009, 03:16 PM   #5
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Engine running, I can shift into any gear without touching the clutch. I assue this means it's not the hydraulics? Any idea how I figure out which mechanical component is broken?

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Old 04-26-2009, 03:19 PM   #6
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Hey also there is a slight smell of burnt rubber, but it definitely isn't the tires. Dunno if that helps the diagnosis...

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Old 04-26-2009, 03:32 PM   #7
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Most likely a clutch problem then. Axle and CV joint can be checked by a visual inspection of the axles and CV joints.
The clutch components you can't inspect until they are removed and the trans needs to be moved out of the way to do that.

Hydraulics.
How does the clutch pedal feel?

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Old 04-26-2009, 04:02 PM   #8
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The clutch pedal feels normal. Does this mean the hydraulics are ok? Am I going to have to replace my clutch?

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Old 04-26-2009, 04:43 PM   #9
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Look under the car and check the axles and CV joints/boots. Rule them out. Check the trans fluid as well.
If all else looks ok, checks out ok then yes you are looking at clutch work.

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Old 04-26-2009, 05:34 PM   #10
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Clutchcity.com i believe is the site. You want a LUK clutch.

Yours is bad.

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Old 04-26-2009, 06:05 PM   #11
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Damn. I was afraid of that.

How about ebay? I found the LUK clutch for much chepear there than at clutchcityonline. Also, the other parts I will need such as ball joints, etc, can I just buy those at an auto parts store or should I have the mechanic source them or what? I'm sure it will be cheaper to buy the clutch myself then to have the mechanic buy it.

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Old 04-26-2009, 10:26 PM   #12
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Look under the car and check the axles and CV joints/boots. Rule them out.
+1 +2 +3. Immediate clutch failure is exceedingly unlikely.

Simpe test - requires an assistant. Have the assistant start the engine, shift into first and lift the clutch while FIRMLY pressing and holding the brake pedal (just in case). Inspect both drive axle shafts at this time. If one shaft is spinning, that shaft's outer CV joint has failed. Best to replace the whole shaft.

It's also possible for an inner joint to fail; that's harder to detect. For the driver's side, you might see the innermost portion of the shaft spinning. For the passenger side, you'd see the intermediate shaft spinning.

I'm not absoutely sure, but I think, also, that if a drive shaft / joint has failed, the speedometer will register a speed when you try to engage the drivetrain.

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People have bought clutches from eBay and then got to remove them and replace them with the Clutch city product. The Clutch City LUK clutch costs 159.00 delivered. Do not forget to figure in the eBay inflated shipping.

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I agree this isn't hydraulics. It's either going to be an axle failure or a complete clutch disk failure. If it's the clutch disk, I would take a close look for a contaminant like oil or ATF.

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