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Old 09-10-2007, 10:36 AM   #1
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Default '07 Outlook - engine surging in morning

We have an 07 outlook XR. It has about 12,500 miles. In the last 4 months, it has begun having an issue where the engine surges or races for about 10 seconds most mornings when we first start it up. I have taken it to the dealer repeatedly on this. They have tried to adjust various programming on the engine (CAM settings, etc) and have installed all of the service programming changes from the Mfg - but they can not duplicate the problem or fix it. In case it matters - we park it in an enclosed garage overnight.

Has anyone else had this issue? If so, how was it resolved?

I appreciate your feedback and suggestions.

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Old 09-10-2007, 11:07 AM   #2
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We have an 07 outlook XR. It has about 12,500 miles. In the last 4 months, it has begun having an issue where the engine surges or races for about 10 seconds most mornings when we first start it up. I have taken it to the dealer repeatedly on this. They have tried to adjust various programming on the engine (CAM settings, etc) and have installed all of the service programming changes from the Mfg - but they can not duplicate the problem or fix it. In case it matters - we park it in an enclosed garage overnight.

Has anyone else had this issue? If so, how was it resolved?

I appreciate your feedback and suggestions.

Thanks!
Explain what "surges or races" means. Is the RPM higher than normal? Does it alternate between high/low? What did it start up like before? If available, record it on a video camera or digicam and show them what a normal startup is like compared to the "surging" one.

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Old 09-10-2007, 11:09 AM   #3
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We have an 07 outlook XR. It has about 12,500 miles. In the last 4 months, it has begun having an issue where the engine surges or races for about 10 seconds most mornings when we first start it up. I have taken it to the dealer repeatedly on this. They have tried to adjust various programming on the engine (CAM settings, etc) and have installed all of the service programming changes from the Mfg - but they can not duplicate the problem or fix it. In case it matters - we park it in an enclosed garage overnight.

Has anyone else had this issue? If so, how was it resolved?

I appreciate your feedback and suggestions.

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Ours does the same, but I don't think of it as a problem to be resolved - it reminds me of the old carburetor motors that needed to rev for a bit to warm up to an appropriate temperature. It lasts, as you say, about 10 seconds, then "calms down" to a normal running speed. I would not worry!

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Old 09-10-2007, 12:06 PM   #4
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has it been colder lately near you? Just sounds like it is trying to warm up faster

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Old 09-10-2007, 01:28 PM   #5
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Thanks for the comments. We live in Texas - so overnight temps are in 70's to 80's. It did not do this when we first bought it in January when it was colder, which is why I brought it up to the dealership. Only started doing it in May, at about 6000 miles on odometer.

I appreciate the idea of video recording it - I will do that in order to help explain to them what is happening. My sound re-creations to them aren't cutting it.

Basically, it is small, short bursty revs of the engine. Less than a second for each one, total duration of the surging is about 5-10 seconds. It does then settle down and acts appropriately the rest of the day.

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Old 09-10-2007, 03:19 PM   #6
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Same here, out in the West Texas town of El Paso. Dealer says its a normal thing.

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Old 09-10-2007, 03:51 PM   #7
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I have had the same issue here in Abilene, TX....

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Old 09-12-2007, 06:59 PM   #8
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Default Re: '07 Outlook - engine surging in morning

Must be a Texas thing. I'm in Pennsylvania and have never experienced this "surging" thing, and I have 13,600 miles.

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Old 09-14-2007, 08:27 AM   #9
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Although mine is primarily in Texas the first time I noticed the surge was in Louisiana. It is interesting that only "Texas Outlooks" seem to have this "issue".

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Old 09-14-2007, 09:40 AM   #10
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Although mine is primarily in Texas the first time I noticed the surge was in Louisiana. It is interesting that only "Texas Outlooks" seem to have this "issue".
are the emissions tuned differently in texas?

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We have an 07 outlook XR. It has about 12,500 miles. In the last 4 months, it has begun having an issue where the engine surges or races for about 10 seconds most mornings when we first start it up. I have taken it to the dealer repeatedly on this. They have tried to adjust various programming on the engine (CAM settings, etc) and have installed all of the service programming changes from the Mfg - but they can not duplicate the problem or fix it. In case it matters - we park it in an enclosed garage overnight.

Has anyone else had this issue? If so, how was it resolved?

I appreciate your feedback and suggestions.

Thanks!

If you can leave it with the dealer over night so they can see how the vehicle performs on a moring start up.

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