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Old 02-15-2017, 10:47 PM   #1
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So we have had our Outlook for a week or so now and, as nearly expected, are starting to find little things wrong with it. (She has 165k miles on her with a Chevy dealer replaced engine at 100k and appears tranny was replaced at some point too.)

On the way home from the dealership I noticed the headlights going dim. Come to find out it's the passenger headlight flickering ON, remaining off most of the time (also have a running lamp out on other side). After reading here, I realize we're faced with the headlight wiring harness issue. But one thing I'm not clear about is whether the issue exists only (usually) for halogen bulbs, or if the HID headlights havevalso suffered such fate.

I THINK I have the HID headlights. Is there a way to tell by the VIN or the door sticker what she came from the factory with? Assuming it is the HID lights, does the wiring harness issue also hold true for those headlights, or do I need to be looking for a different issue entirely?

Many thanks! And please allow me to apologize in advance for the many questions that are sure to come on various issues.

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Old 02-16-2017, 04:10 AM   #2
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I'm not sure if the HID lights were affected but I would start with a call to the dealer to see if the headlight recall was completed. Also, I think there is a website you can check by VIN to see if there are any open recalls for your vehicle. Sorry, I do not recall the website.

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Old 02-16-2017, 02:40 PM   #3
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I'm not sure if the HID lights were affected but I would start with a call to the dealer to see if the headlight recall was completed. Also, I think there is a website you can check by VIN to see if there are any open recalls for your vehicle. Sorry, I do not recall the website.
From what I read, the recall expired in 2013. I know there's a recall on it for the back hatch I need to take care of. Nothing else showed up.
Thanks for the reply!

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Old 02-16-2017, 06:27 PM   #4
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Are you sure your profile is correct, 1997 Outlook XR?

One way to know if yours has HID lights - your owner's manual. Unless owners here can tell you whether or not '07's have HID or plain halogen lights, there is a simple way to know; remove the low beam lamp; https://www.etrailer.com/tv-install-...k-vx-lh11.aspx. The video shows halogen lamps.
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Old 02-17-2017, 03:03 PM   #5
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[QUOTE=fdryer;2232998]Are you sure your profile is correct, 1997 Outlook XR?

1997?! I'm sure that's NOT correct. Signature seems to shows 2007. I'll double check my profile. Thanks for the heads up!

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Old 02-17-2017, 03:27 PM   #6
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It has the HID headlights.

And more good news - last night it was the opposite side flickering.

What I'm gathering is that the halogens have a wiring harness issue.
The HID has a ballast issue.

Dealer says HID's are $300 to replace. Ballast is add'l $250.
That's $1000 for both!

In the name of money, because we just bought the car, paid cash and cash is a bit tight right now, I considered going from HID to halogen (which, evidently can't be done without making a mess out of "how to operate.")

So:
1. how do I know if it's the bulb, ballast, or both that need replacing?

2. Anything else I need to check that may be the issue?

3. Any specific suggestions on where to buy such (other than eBay).

4. Is there one replacemt bulb or ballast brand and/or model that's superior, but more cost effective.

5. One of the yellow lamps is also out (presumably daytime running lamp). No flicker or flash - completely dead. Is this also going to be a HID bulb?

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Old 02-17-2017, 05:01 PM   #7
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I'm not completely familiar with Outlooks and going by info found. Halogen lamps are what I found, including procedures in the link I posted. However, if yours are hid lamps, are they the ones shown? GM hid lamps, at least one type, have the lamp and ballast as a one piece plug n' play unit. The ballast, shown in the previous reply, is the silver metal box behind the long glass lamp. I don't know if GM makes other types of hid's in other configurations. You'll have to examine your lamps and determine if wiring is an issue. As it is, whether halogen or hid lights, they have a finite life and don't last forever. If it's not wiring, the lamps are probably worn out. To be sure it isn't wiring, you'll have to manually turn on headlights, disconnect each light and measure the connections for 12v power; access to wiring diagrams are either provided here from members, http://workshop-manuals.com (free) or subscribing to alldata or Mitchell for service manuals.

As to searching for replacement parts, GM is not the only source as they're likely to pad a bill as part of "It's nothing personal, it's all business" since every dealer has higher overhead costs compared to shopping online for the same part or equivalent aftermarket replacement. In addition to GM online, rockauto and other auto parts distributors are competitively priced to either match or beat dealer retail prices. Your choice.

Converting from one type of lighting to another may present issues. In general, halogen lighting uses either reflector (you can see the lamps) or projector light housings. You cannot see lamps in projector light housings and light housings are smaller in diameter than reflector light housings due to the intense light output and custom designed optics to throw light farther without blinding opposing traffic. A metal cutoff plate inside low beam projector housings cutoff the upper beam that simply blinds everyone without this cutoff plate - it would simply be a high beam. Other considerations may be with whether or not low beams are used as daytime running lights (DRL's), using a resistor or wired in series for drl use but revert to parallel wiring for night time lighting. GM has several methods and each one is uniquely wired differently. Conversions are either easy or difficult. At the least, hid lights cannot be used in reflector light housings because housings lack the cutoff plate and create a high beam light to blind everyone. Ignorance of these facts resulted in many poorly retrofitted low beam lights blinding opposing traffic. The serious diyer already knows this and buys projector light housings, cracks open the stock housings and custom fits projectors for hid lights. Most, if not all, aftermarket hid lights have a separate ballast box mounted somewhere nearby.

You would be wise to verify which lights are used by accessing your headlights and determine whether or not yours is halogen or hid.

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Old 02-17-2017, 11:14 PM   #8
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I'm not completely familiar with Outlooks and going by info found. Halogen lamps are what I found, including procedures in the link I posted. However, if yours are hid lamps, are they the ones shown? GM hid lamps, at least one type, have the lamp and ballast as a one piece plug n' play unit. The ballast, shown in the previous reply, is the silver metal box behind the long glass lamp. I don't know if GM makes other types of hid's in other configurations. You'll have to examine your lamps and determine if wiring is an issue. As it is, whether halogen or hid lights, they have a finite life and don't last forever. If it's not wiring, the lamps are probably worn out. To be sure it isn't wiring, you'll have to manually turn on headlights, disconnect each light and measure the connections for 12v power; access to wiring diagrams are either provided here from members, (free) or subscribing to alldata or Mitchell for service manuals.

As to searching for replacement parts, GM is not the only source as they're likely to pad a bill as part of "It's nothing personal, it's all business" since every dealer has higher overhead costs compared to shopping online for the same part or equivalent aftermarket replacement. In addition to GM online, rockauto and other auto parts distributors are competitively priced to either match or beat dealer retail prices. Your choice.

Converting from one type of lighting to another may present issues. In general, halogen lighting uses either reflector (you can see the lamps) or projector light housings. You cannot see lamps in projector light housings and light housings are smaller in diameter than reflector light housings due to the intense light output and custom designed optics to throw light farther without blinding opposing traffic. A metal cutoff plate inside low beam projector housings cutoff the upper beam that simply blinds everyone without this cutoff plate - it would simply be a high beam. Other considerations may be with whether or not low beams are used as daytime running lights (DRL's), using a resistor or wired in series for drl use but revert to parallel wiring for night time lighting. GM has several methods and each one is uniquely wired differently. Conversions are either easy or difficult. At the least, hid lights cannot be used in reflector light housings because housings lack the cutoff plate and create a high beam light to blind everyone. Ignorance of these facts resulted in many poorly retrofitted low beam lights blinding opposing traffic. The serious diyer already knows this and buys projector light housings, cracks open the stock housings and custom fits projectors for hid lights. Most, if not all, aftermarket hid lights have a separate ballast box mounted somewhere nearby.

You would be wise to verify which lights are used by accessing your headlights and determine whether or not yours is halogen or hid.

@fdryer, WOW! Thank you for the link to the wiring diagrams. I poked around a bit and I could easily be consumed on that site for DAYS! Love that sort of stuff!

The TSB I found on the lights from your link specifically states the concern is just for the halogen bulbs. So hopes are high I don't have to worry about the wiring harness.

My statement that the lights on my Outlook are HID was info provided to me by our local Chevy dealer. I gave them the VIN and they pulled up the specs of the vehicle, then gave me their pricing. (Even with my parts discount (father is a GM retiree) I'm not fool enough to to get anything from a dealer that isn't mandatory.)

For future reference for anyone else wondering, I THINK the HID lamp includes the silver box shown in your picture. The ballast is more like a silver flat plate/box. (Pics 1 & 2).

The third picture is a screenshot from a YouTube video. (Video is of an Acadia HID replacement - attaching link, important part begins around 4:40.) The ballast placement is circled in red.

After being armed with this info, I feel a bit more confident about ripping into her tomorrow. I'll follow up with what I find. (Fingers crossed for no wiring issues!)
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:21 PM   #9
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Unfortunately, I'm not yet allowed to provide a link to the video. But anyone curious can do a search on YouTube for 'How to install replace outer Hi Low HID headlight bulb GMC Acadia 1A Auto Parts' and find it.

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I'm not sure how you're getting correct or incorrect info. On one hand I was able to find a specific link to a video describing procedures to replace a) halogen lamps in a b) 2007 Outlook (post#4). You're stating using a video to Acadias to replace hid lamps......in Acadias.

I would use either video to start the process of revealing what your Outlook has to verify one or the other.

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