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Old 03-25-2014, 11:20 PM   #1
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We're interested in talking to owners of 2003-2007 Saturn Ions who have had their ignition replaced or have experienced the engine shutoff problems. In addition, according the NBC News, there were also about 500 people in the country who were given one of the plastic plugs (shown above) a few years ago to put into their key ring from GM. Did anyone get one of these?

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Old 03-26-2014, 12:10 AM   #2
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Oh now the news outfits all want to get involved, and no I did not get a plug.

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Old 03-26-2014, 12:15 PM   #3
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I had it happen to me once (other than the Passlock issue), and fortunately it was at a stop light. I was able to restart it after a few stressed minutes.

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Old 03-26-2014, 10:31 PM   #4
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I had it happen to me once (other than the Passlock issue), and fortunately it was at a stop light. I was able to restart it after a few stressed minutes.
Thanks! I can see how that would be a stressful situation! I am glad you never had the problem when you were driving your Ion.

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iv never seen the plastic clip. im still debating whether i should go in for the ignition lock swap or not, since i never had an issue with my car, and afraid that after it gets changed, someone else will go wrong. I like to go "if it isnt broken, it doesnt need to be fixed".

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Because isn't that what all of this comes down too???...People hang'n too much **** on their key ring causing the the key to turn the car off???
Sounds like simple physics to me.
Granted., the switch SHOULD probably be strong enough to hold ten pounds of keys....right??!!
Uh., anyway...I've only had my "lock/unlock" module on my ring and have never had an issue.

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Old 03-26-2014, 10:29 PM   #7
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Oh now the news outfits all want to get involved, and no I did not get a plug.
Thanks for sharing!

We are fortunate to have a very active community of Saturn owners here on this site. When Saturn news happens, news outfits often check in to see how it impacts us. Sometimes reporters create accounts and interact directly with you, and other times they contact me for a high-level view of a situation. I think its pretty cool that you all have helped build such a respected community! I also think its a great that we have a way to give our concerns and opinions a "voice" outside the walls of SaturnFans.com.

I am very grateful for your support and participation!!

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Old 04-04-2014, 01:05 PM   #8
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My mother worked for Saturn. She always stressed co-workers not to put too many things on their keychains. Never saw the key clip.. but she had an io, always had the car key separate, guess it makes sense now.. she had the BIGGEST keychain when she had her vue. - and now with her '12 GMC Terrain

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Have not had it happen. The only thing on my key rings is the key and the factory fob.

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Old 04-08-2014, 09:06 PM   #10
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Sorta. Had a mirror image of the problem about 6 months ago. Wifey got to work one morning and couldn't shut it off. It didn't shut itself off, in fact it wouldn't shut itself off. The switch would turn to the off position, but the engine kept on running, and running, and running. So-o, some nice fella from the Munro shop next door pulled a fuse to stop it. The GM dealer replaced the switch to the tune of around $500. Think we'll get any reimbursement from GM? They replaced the ignition switch. We just got the recall notice, so now I wonder if GM doesn't know it was replaced, or if they replaced it with another defective part. As I said, the work was done by a GM dealer. I'll check back when we've gotten it in.

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Old 04-09-2014, 12:05 PM   #11
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I had the key get stuck at the on/run position. The car could only be shut off dumping my clutch with the brakes on and killing the engine that way, I would then disconnect the negative battery cable to avoid running the battery down.

I could restart the car because the ignition allowed me to advance and start the car but I could not get to accessory or off position.

When I got all the new parts and did the repair myself, I then removed the lock cylinder, the old cylinder was totally disintegrated, and it came out in many small pieces of metal and small springs.

If I knew now back then, I would of parked the car sooner, I totally understand how all those wrecks must have happened.

The new cylinder I installed claimed to be an updated version and looked totally different in design but fit perfect, I found a seller on ebay who sold them and keyed them if you provided the key code. My lock housing also was damaged and was the costly part to replace.

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Old 04-09-2014, 04:24 PM   #12
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My lock housing also was damaged and was the costly part to replace.
Yeah, same here. After quoting me a price they called back to say they hadn't anticipated the housing and about doubled the original quote.

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Old 04-14-2014, 12:33 PM   #13
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Never got the plug for my ION. Had 2 failed switches replaced by the dealer, one under warranty, one not and did one myself with a Dorman aftermarket ignition.

I never experienced the shutoff while driving and I only kept the Saturn key /fob and my Honda key on the ring.

The ION was totaled a few weeks back. Hit while at a stoplight.

I have been watching the decline of GM quality for many years and when they killed off Saturn and took the bailout, it really made me angry. Now with the news of this recall and their deliberate actions to not fix issues, I will not buy another GM product. For me GM crossed an ethical line and they cannot go back.

I have been very pleased with our two Honda's and will be purchasing another later this summer when we pass the 08 CRV to our son.

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I have been watching the decline of GM quality for many years and when they killed off Saturn and took the bailout, it really made me angry. Now with the news of this recall and their deliberate actions to not fix issues, I will not buy another GM product. For me GM crossed an ethical line and they cannot go back.

I have been very pleased with our two Honda's and will be purchasing another later this summer when we pass the 08 CRV to our son.
Please remember that for several years during this period the US Government owned General Motors. This ignition switch problem has come to light only after the company returned to private hands. An interesting question to pose to your congressman would be, "Why didn't you insist on better oversight while the government owned the company?"

I am driving primarily Chrysler products presently, but we also have a Saturn Ion from my MIL. I've owned a number of GM products and my last one was the best: a 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix. 250,000 miles, only a couple repairs, and unbelievably, the fuel economy rivaled the Saturn (31mpg highway). When the ignition module died I donated it to Good News Garage. If they were still making the Grand Prix in 2009 I would have bought another. They weren't and I shopped around and bought a Jeep Patriot. Only 1/2 as many miles as my Pontiac but still running strong.

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I have a 2005 Saturn Ion 1 with a 2.0L engine. The vehicle was bought used in Dec 2009. There is no pwr equipment on vehicle other than pwr str. I had received recall on ignition switch and had it done 6/2014. I had never experienced the problem, (e.g. ignition turning off while driving) even though I have five items on a separating key chain that I drove with.
About the time I had the ignition recall work done I began to experience the loss of pwr str while driving. After car is parked and turned off then restarted pwr str comes back but will drift out again. Just after the problem started I received a recall notice from GM. They say they will replace the pwr str motor as soon as the part becomes available. Its been over a month and still no word that the part is available. Parenthetically, back in 2012, I received a letter from GM alluding to the problem on some cars and extending the warrantee on that part (pwr str motor) to 10 years or 150,000 miles. The letter further cautioned that unless you were experiencing the problem, don't take it to the dealer. This same problem, pwr str motor, occurred on the Chev Cobalt and Pont G something or other and GM changed them on those cars so the improve part is available. I found two GM parts dealers (one in Texas and one in Florida) selling them on ebay and I have yet to hear from GM that the part is available and get in to the dealer for replacement! In the mean time, let me tell you that steering without that pwr assist is difficult especially turning at intersections and into my driveway as you've slowed down to make the turn. PL

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I just had the ignition switch done yesterday and I don't like the new key. It fees weird in my hand cause of the blank spot where the logo of the car should be. And the new design has the little hole for a small ring to be inserted to attach it to my key ring makes me feel like my key ring is bulkier. Would def have preferred to keep my old keys or get have some sort of logo (pref Saturn) on the key...tho I have nev experienced the ignition switch issue with the old one.

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I just had the ignition switch done yesterday and I don't like the new key. It fees weird in my hand cause of the blank spot where the logo of the car should be. And the new design has the little hole for a small ring to be inserted to attach it to my key ring makes me feel like my key ring is bulkier. Would def have preferred to keep my old keys or get have some sort of logo (pref Saturn) on the key...tho I have nev experienced the ignition switch issue with the old one.
I got my ignition done today. Like 2007_ion2 they gave me a new key set. Yeah, it looks different as noted: no logo and only a hole, not a slit. But, heck, its otherwise the same key! I tried my old key and it still worked the ignition and it started the vehicle. So why the new key? Just to be nice?

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Stop and think about the reason for the center hole on the new key in relation to the deaths caused by GM's deteriorating lack of "quality" over sight when a 50-cent piece of metal failed to hold the lock cylinder/ignition switch in whatever detent position it was supposed to be in when a combination of things occurred to allow the ignition switch to rotate and turn off...............

Ridiculously over weighted key rings like lead weights on a fishing line tugs on a key that's slotted in combination with the angle the ignition switch is in, the ON/RUN position. Add the normal road bumps and hard hits sometimes coupled with a 'weak' detent mechanism and a recipe for what already occurred took place; the ignition switch turns off. A slotted key allows leverage against a key without a slot when picturing how weighted keys hang in relation to ignition switch position and whether or not ignition switches are easily turned with jostling weights hanging from a key ring while driving. Some mechanical engineering principles with leverage will make it easier to understand why GM rushed new non slotted keys out as part of their recall service to avoid future litigation.

While too late to replicate now, with a new ignition switch/lock cylinder, anyone can attempt to duplicate the scenario that resulted in ignition switches turning off by simply tugging downwards and a little sideways with the ignition ON.

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I got my ignition done today. Like 2007_ion2 they gave me a new key set. Yeah, it looks different as noted: no logo and only a hole, not a slit. But, heck, its otherwise the same key! I tried my old key and it still worked the ignition and it started the vehicle. So why the new key? Just to be nice?
What fdryer said is spot-on. Technically, they're supposed to take all of your old keys for this reason. They don't want you using the slotted key to avoid future litigation. The dealer that serviced mine, however, only kept the one key that I gave them with the car. Fortunately, I gave them the crappy generic replacement key and saved my saturn logo key, which still works. I find myself using the new ones, anyway.

I wish the new keys had the saturn logo, but beggars can't be choosers.

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