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Old 12-06-2009, 11:26 PM   #1
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Darryl Siry from Wired: The GM EV1 was an electric vehicle that was a technical triumph for the time. It generated passion-fueled controversy that still reverberates today. The technological innovations of the EV1 went well beyond the battery pack, inverter and AC induction motor that propelled the car without using any gasoline. The lead-acid battery pack could store only 17 kilowatt-hours for the first generation, roughly equivalent to half a gallon of gasoline. As a result, GM engineers had to do everything they could to reduce the weight and aerodynamic drag of the car to achieve a workable range.

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Old 12-07-2009, 08:08 PM   #2
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Typical GM subversive behavior- create something innovative, and then find ways to kill it. Being repeated as we speak.

How many of these survive?

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Old 12-07-2009, 08:21 PM   #3
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Typical GM subversive behavior- create something innovative, and then find ways to kill it. Being repeated as we speak.

How many of these survive?
I think there are *maybe* a few...I know that there is one in Wisconsin at the University of Wisconsin that was reverse engineered by some engineering students.

The majority of them were crushed in the Arizona Desert. All you need to do is watch/rent "Who Killed the Electric Car" to see the carnage left by GM in the wake of the EV-1.

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Old 12-07-2009, 09:49 PM   #4
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yeah I remember the EV1 and saw several of them parked outside Saturn offices in Troy back when they were called the "Impact".

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Old 12-07-2009, 10:05 PM   #5
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Quite a few were donated to museums. I know in the Detroit area, the Detroit Science Center and the Henry Ford Museum both have one. They had a computer part removed so that they are not driveable.

I saw one a few years back driving around Troy, MI, (long after they were all destroyed or donated), so I assume GM must still have a few that are still operational. I didn't get close enough to verify that it had manufacturer plates, but it was definitely an EV1 and I was quite shocked to see it.

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Old 12-08-2009, 11:06 AM   #6
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Quite a few were donated to museums. I know in the Detroit area, the Detroit Science Center and the Henry Ford Museum both have one. They had a computer part removed so that they are not driveable.

I saw one a few years back driving around Troy, MI, (long after they were all destroyed or donated), so I assume GM must still have a few that are still operational. I didn't get close enough to verify that it had manufacturer plates, but it was definitely an EV1 and I was quite shocked to see it.
It's kind of unfortunate really, that GM only marketed the EV-1 as a lease vehicle and only made them available in the Southwest part of the U.S. Then again; I have read the the lease payments on them was excruciating..

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Old 12-11-2009, 08:04 AM   #7
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Typical GM subversive behavior- create something innovative, and then find ways to kill it. Being repeated as we speak.

How many of these survive?
It was the fact that the "GM" has a brand name that I was expecting the saturn brand, pontiac brand, et, al. To be rolled in to one unit. Alas, poor saturn, we knew knew thee well.

The Impact, or EV1, what ever it was is a perfect example of when engineers designe a car withthe over sight of a true marketing dept.

No back seat?
costs HOW MUCH!?!
40 miles range?
plastic panels?
Semi-exotic materials?

But as an engineer, I can say that without a marketing dept to keep us honest, you would get more cars like this.

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Old 12-11-2009, 09:37 AM   #8
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It was the fact that the "GM" has a brand name that I was expecting the saturn brand, pontiac brand, et, al. To be rolled in to one unit. Alas, poor saturn, we knew knew thee well.

The Impact, or EV1, what ever it was is a perfect example of when engineers designe a car withthe over sight of a true marketing dept.

No back seat?
costs HOW MUCH!?!
40 miles range?
plastic panels?
Semi-exotic materials?

But as an engineer, I can say that without a marketing dept to keep us honest, you would get more cars like this.
Don't you mean, "as marketing, I can say that without engineers to keep us honest, you would get more cars like this"?

Sales & marketing will invent and spins all sorts of not-ready products and blame engineering for foot dragging on the "cold fusion battery" or whatever wish-list product is not ready for prime-time. To then not look bad, the marketing folks will throw out some half-assed product that mimics the original idea, give it a shiny coat of paint, then apply a catchy product name that evokes some dreamy desire fulfilled.

Clearly this was a case of marketing trying to push something onto the public that wasn't ready. I doubt the engineers wanted this in the public's hands ... the lease approach was a compromise to pull these back in when marketing was finished having its fun.

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Old 12-12-2009, 12:10 PM   #9
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Yes, GM did kill off the EV-1 but Toyota did the same thing. They had an electric RAV4 and Honda had a strange looking electric car too. All were killed off at the same time. I believe Nissan had one also. The thing is, no one advertised them!!! They were also leased in certain areas of the country. I would have been more then happy to have the electric Nissan or anything electric to drive to and from work. My commute round trip is 24 miles, so charging it twice a week would be great if it means not having to pay $2.69/ gallon. Below are some links to those electric cars that were killed off.

Nissan Altra: http://www.altfuels.org/events/testdriv/altra.html

Toyota RAV4: http://www.evnut.com/rav.htm

Honda EV+: http://world.honda.com/history/chall...lus/index.html

Ford Ranger EV: http://www.evclubsouth.org/ranger.html

Dodge Caravan EPIC: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/p...ess007296.html

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Old 12-13-2009, 02:23 AM   #10
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only ones I ever remember seeing were at the dealer by were i lived at the time. can't say I remember seeing them actually on the road or if I did it may have been on a test drive by that dealer.

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Old 12-07-2009, 10:51 PM   #11
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Exceedingly unlikely, given that it was started by the forum administrator, and that half of the replies come from long-standing highly-valued active forum contributors, and that it takes a tight stretch of the imagination to consider any of the other replies even remotely troll-like.

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Exceedingly unlikely, given that it was started by the forum administrator, and that half of the replies come from long-standing highly-valued active forum contributors, and that it takes a tight stretch of the imagination to consider any of the other replies even remotely troll-like.
It just seems like every time someone mentions the EV1, ten people jump on the "GM is the stupidest company evar" bandwagon. It gets tiresome to read.

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It just seems like every time someone mentions the EV1, ten people jump on the "GM is the stupidest company evar" bandwagon. It gets tiresome to read.
Trust me...I would have rather seen GM continue to do R & D to improve the EV-1 over a period of 5+ years rather than seeing them take all of them into the Arizona Desert and crushing them... Granted the lease payments on them were outrageous...I would have liked to see GM take them from being a lease only vehicle to being a viable vehicle that could have been sold around the country and at least made some money.

I just read an article today that included Chelsea Sexton (who was a big supporter of the EV-1 when it debuted, and she also worked for Saturn.)...where she feels that the Chevy Volt is Deja Vu for GM all over again...

http://www.greencarreports.com/blog/...r-from-the-ev1

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Absolutely remember the EV1...worked with them down in Arizona. Great little vehicles, and far more capable than advertised. Used to bring a big smile when I'd take one out to do a spot parts delivery at one of my wholesale accounts, and let them drive it around a bit. Also great to pick up folks from the airport, go to a Suns game, etc...priority parking and a free fill-up! Sad to see many of them crushed at the Proving Grounds, they were really getting good in the 99 version.

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I believe there are several in museums and universities. I sat in one recently. It is currently running, though it has been modified. There is a video on Youtube, but I can't post links yet b/c I don't have a high enough post count. bleh!

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