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Old 12-03-2009, 01:25 AM   #1
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In the early days, Saturn manufactured its own cars at its own plant in Spring Hill, Tennessee. In addition to innovating on the sales, service, and engineering sides of its business, Saturn's founding fathers spent a significant amount of time developing new manufacturing techniques that were based on some of the "best in class" processes used by companies from around the world.

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Old 12-04-2009, 09:17 AM   #2
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A cooperative relationship between workers and management - that's crazy talk! Almost removes the need for a union. Blasphemy!

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Old 12-05-2009, 10:27 AM   #3
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A cooperative relationship between workers and management - that's crazy talk! Almost removes the need for a union. Blasphemy!
The Saturn Plant was originally located in Tennessee as that is a "right to work" state. As such, it allows workers the right to not join a union even if one exists, therefore, why join the union & pay dues if you get the same pay & benefits if you don't?

As for a cooperative relationship, like socialism, that's nice in theory ... it works for a little while until problems arrive that require mutual sacrifice, then human nature kicks in ... every person for themselves. Once the honeymoon is over, things look pretty ugly when the bills come due.

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Old 04-22-2010, 05:58 PM   #4
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I strongly suggest that you read the book "Crash Course" by Paul Ingrassia. He actually spends a fair amount of time on the the decline of Saturn, which was largely the work of Stephen Yokich, a UAW Vice President who couldn't tolerate the idea of a company based upon a positive worker-management relationship.

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Old 04-24-2010, 11:53 AM   #5
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Maybe GM or the UAW will learn something

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Old 04-24-2010, 02:41 PM   #6
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unfortunately i dont thing they learned from the whole saturn experience. i was there at the beginning and it was a great set up.

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I strongly suggest that you read the book "Crash Course" by Paul Ingrassia. He actually spends a fair amount of time on the the decline of Saturn, which was largely the work of Stephen Yokich, a UAW Vice President who couldn't tolerate the idea of a company based upon a positive worker-management relationship.
I believe Steve was the President of the UAW, not a VP. When he died a few years ago, I remember Gettelfinger saying something along the lines of he learned volumes from Yokich at the bargaining table...those same skills that almost helped to bankrupt the entire American auto industry.

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I believe Steve was the President of the UAW, not a VP. When he died a few years ago, I remember Gettelfinger saying something along the lines of he learned volumes from Yokich at the bargaining table...those same skills that almost helped to bankrupt the entire American auto industry.
Failed joint ventures did more to hurt the American auto companies then the UAW and it was GM that wanted out of Saturn's labor agreement. Yokich didn't have the power to tell GM what to do. The Union was never as strong as many people think. GM used that misconception to lay blame when they did something stupid.
The UAW workers could have worked for free and it would not have made much difference. The cost of UAW labor was less then 9% including full benefits and that was before the lower pay scale.

GM lost BILLIONS to Fiat when they attempted to outsource production of small cars in the USA. That happened at the same time they were cutting investment in Saturn future products.

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