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Old 01-18-2009, 11:53 AM   #5
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2003 L-Series 3.0L Sedan
Default Re: Starter is unhappy with the cold

Do you really expect any starter to last, as you put it, over 120,000 miles? In the words of Houdini, "Get Real!" OK, maybe he didn't say it but be a little more realistic. There are no mileage warranties on starters and you're basing your criticism against what? The original? If you did, then you expected another brands starter to hold up to a Saturn original? If that's so, then why didn't you buy another Saturn starter? Too pricey maybe? Aside from the ridiculous mark-up some unscrupulous dealers charge, you're most likely getting the OEM quality that's expected. Well, along with the quality comes reliability and with that probably another long life to this one as came with the original. If you were to buy a new OEM Saturn starter for a reasonable price you and I most likely will get another quality starter. You may be too critical comparing a rebuilt one against the original. A rebuilt is just a rebuilt with any quality you want to attach to it, best one around or junk.

If you didn't buy a NEW starter but went with a standard rebuilt/remanufactured unit, which in some cases are equal to new ones according to whoever decides to maintain minimum standards for rebuilding tolerances, any starter will have so much life based on the parts used. Those parts are the brushes, the armature's commutator that the brushes wear against, the two bearings, the starter solenoid, the one-way bearing, and the extra large contacts that serve to switch the power to the starter motor. All those parts are wear related and there's plenty of room for quality (or lack) of parts to control/decide on the long term reliability of any starter. Use a low quality replacement set of starter brushes and the brushes may simply burn through in a relatively short time. Unless you are capable of tearing apart a starter, you'll never really know what wore down on your Autozone starter, just as you probably don't know what wore down the original starter. Please don't take offense as I just so happen to know firsthand as well as many others. I've taken starters apart, not only to understand them but to learn a little about their weaknesses and strengths. I've saved a little money by repairing one starter (was selling a mini-van) because one of the large starter solenoid contacts burned through after 150,00 miles and only needed another contact. Made one from scratch using material from large electrical panel conductors. Serendipity and a little imagination. The entire starter was good for another 150,000 miles because of Toyota quality parts as shown by very little wear in the parts mentioned above. I've never taken a rebuilt starter apart but I doubt quality parts are used to equal the long reliability of OEM ones. "Its just business, nothing personal", as we're buying starters at much less cost than OEM quality and there's much less quality in rebuilts - you get what you pay for.

You may be surprised, or not, when you tear apart your current worn out one.

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