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TBone1082 12-01-2004 11:28 AM

New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
As its extremely slow here due to the rain, Ive decided to consolidate all the info on the new '06 and '07 models that I can find.

This came from Wards Auto World, [url]http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3165/is_6_40/ai_n6062862[/url]

Saturn will add three new vehicles over the next three years. A sports car (codename GMX023) inspired by the Curve concept will join the Solstice at Wilmington; a CUV (codename GMX966), bigger than the Vue and based on GM's forthcoming Lambda platform, likely will be built at the plant under construction in Delta Township, MI. A midsize car (codename GMX384), based on GM's Epsilon platform, is in the cards. It probably will be built at GM's Orion, MI, plant.


We all know about the Sky as of now, which will most likely be built with the new 2.4 Ecotec, with the rumor of a V6 option, which was being tossed around over at GMInsidenews.

The Vue's "Big Brother", also known as the Outlook will feature a proposed V8 from what I hear and will be based on the Lambda Platform. The CUV is also rumored to be 4WD.

Dealing with the new '07 Sport Wagon, Motor Trend is forcasting it to come standard with a V-6 and will be based on the re-tooled "Epsilon 2" platform.

[url]http://motortrend.com/future/spied/112_2007fvf/index8.html[/url]



Sorry if any of this seems a bit confusing, I got the information from a bunch of different websites and putting it together was kinda confusing. Best bet is to check [url]www.gminsidenews.com[/url] 's press room and look in on the Saturn info there. I have to admit, theres a lot of haters there, but the info is top notch and they know what theyre talking about.

spork 12-01-2004 12:38 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
Thanks for doing all that work, but according to the poll that ran on this website earlier, most of us current Saturn owners could care less about the new product as they really aren't Saturns any longer.

spencerb 12-01-2004 01:06 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
[QUOTE=spork]...most of us current Saturn owners could care less about the new product as they really aren't Saturns any longer.[/QUOTE]Depends on what YOU define Saturn to be. Some may not like it, but Saturn is changing. It's still Saturn, just not what we are used to.

TBone1082 12-01-2004 01:22 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
And contrary to what spork says, this info is not just for current Saturn owners, but for anyone in particular who has an intrest. Speaking of which, even if just one person finds the info helpfull, it has served its purpose.

spork 12-01-2004 03:42 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
I guess I didn't phrase it very well. Yes, it is good info. I was just making a comment that a majority of current owners that responded to the poll said they would not consider another Saturn if it had a metal body.

I just spent the majority of my time the day after thanksgiving driving around with my brother in law looking at used Saturns. The major reason he wanted one was because his mother has a 96 that is rust free and his current car is rusting away. We managed to find a 98 SL2 with 78k on it for $3700. He was quite happy with that and bought it that day.

I know the only reason I even considered Saturn when I was looking at my first (and last) new car was the plastic body.

Anyhow, don't take it personally. I'm glad you are excited about the new cars. Lord knows that with WalMart sourcing over 70% of their merchandise from China, buying American is good for us as a society.

mcphian 12-01-2004 04:47 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
I think if saturn was smart.. they would offer a Warranty like Hyundai or Kia.. 100k powertrain. This change over without Plastic bodys maybe too late in the game now. Once again, only reason why I bought a saturn was for its plastic body and decent sedan look.. otherwise its very Un-refined mechanically compared to Korean and Japan models (yes even the ION feels clunky). Maybe if the refinement is better in new models and all these known quirks are gone.. then it might be in better standing for the competition.

SpeedPlayer 97sl2 12-01-2004 08:31 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
I used to be one of those fervent believers that Saturn = polymer.

That was when the first ideas of metal bodied Saturns were being tossed around. Now that "Saturn" and "metal" are sure to co-exist in the same sentence sometime within the next couple years, I've learned to acccept it. Why?

There is much more to a car than its body panels. If the polymer was really all that separated Saturn from everybody else, then I would dare say that Saturn was never that different at all.

Along those lines, since there is much more to a car than its body panels, one must look at its guts. Yes, recent and future Saturns will share considerable amounts with other GM/Opel cars, but everything is in the execution. If you complain about an Ion sharing engines with the Cobalt just because the Cobalt is a Chevy, then realize that it's just the engine. A basic engine can have a completely different character in different vehicles. Engines can be tuned differently. Even the natural resonance of the vehicle's structure can affect the way the engine sounds and feels. It's like many other things, such as computers. I can put the same brand/model hard drive in two computers, but that doesn't mean the computers will behave the same. There are many other factors in the product.

As a "reformed" Saturn owner and believer, I will continue to root for Saturn until Saturns are exact carbon copies of their Chevy, Pontiac, and Buick brethen. Unfortunately, the Relay seems to be just that. However, if the future products are any indication (Ion and Cobalt included), I think there will be plenty of differentiation between the Saturn version and others. The Sky and Solstice can be very different cars with some relatively minor modifications here and there to suspension and engine tuning. The Sky, while it may share a huge number of parts, can still have a character and flavor all its own.

I think very few of us want to see Saturn die "while it's still ahead", as some people have put it. Honestly, I think Saturn is so far down the gutter right now, it can only get better, so killing it now would be ending Saturn at its worst.

mars_volta 12-01-2004 09:54 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
[QUOTE=spencerb]Depends on what YOU define Saturn to be. Some may not like it, but Saturn is changing. It's still Saturn, just not what we are used to.[/QUOTE]

No its not Saturn the different car company.

Its Saturn the marketing image.

TBone1082 12-02-2004 01:47 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
Apparently, the Relay will also be getting a re-fresh in '07 or '08 to "bring in more Saturn parts" This is the only thing have heard of this and don't have any evidence to support it, but this brings up another thing. At the moment, yes, polymer IS and HAS been Saturn, but times are changing, with the larger vehicles, the cost to produce the polymer panels is growing. The only plant that is currently setup to do so I believe is Spring Hill. Now, I myself would rather see something of a compromise like we see in the L Series currently. I propose the Ion and the Vue still retain their polymer panels, but the larger vehicles like the Relay and the new Outlook (V8 CUV) go with steel. On the other hand, I believe that the Sky could possibly (and I mean possibly) benefit from polymer only in the fact that it would lighten the vehicle and posibly increase overall performance.

Another point that Saturn has in its avor is the Steel Space frame. So long as our vehicles are made like this and so long as they continue to get 5 Star safety ratings, I will still continue to buy Saturn.

haypops 12-02-2004 04:34 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
[QUOTE=spork]. I'm glad you are excited about the new cars. Lord knows that with WalMart sourcing over 70% of their merchandise from China, buying American is good for us as a society.[/QUOTE]

It is perhaps worse than that sounds. WalMart is China's 4th or 5th largest trading partner. The value of "stuff" WalMart buys from China exceeds most countries including Canada, England, France etc.

Is it a good product at a good price? Perhaps, perhaps not. Yesterday I heard that Honda finally solved the CRV fire problem. Honda claims that the seal of the oil filter from the filters they buy in CHINA rips and leaves behind pieces of rubber hindering a good seal with the flange. Puff -- fire happens.

Dante 12-03-2004 02:23 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
Good info, thanks for doing some legwork for us. I have also found the GM Inside News site to be a great source of info, but there are a lot of Saturn-haters around there (surprise).

The fact that future Saturn models will not have polymer is, to me, a detriment to the brand, but GM management apparently doesn't see it that way. I think the SKY would be better served to have the polymer panels for the reasons mentioned above - lighter, dent-free, rust-proof, more "Saturn-like", etc., but the SKY will be built right along the Solstice in the Wilmington, DE plant. So far as I know, only Spring Hill is equiped to make polymer panels. The way I see it is if they can wrap the Vue in it's beautiful polymer, then anything smaller (like most cars, especially the SKY) should be a cakewalk. However, they refuse to produce any new cars with polymer, and it's a fact of life, whether we like it or not. I can say for sure that not having polymer will not help Saturn in my decision on what I buy next. :no:

Citation84 12-03-2004 11:19 PM

Re: New 2006-2007 Saturn release info (Any info I could gather from other sites)
 
In the introductory article for the First Gen. S Series, it was noted that the space frame and polymer panels ADDED approx. 200 pounds to the weight of the cars. [Automobile Oct. 1990].
Using two different methods on a similar car on the same assembly line would likely be a recipe for inconsistent quality for both brands.
I would hope that the new models will be fully READY for buyers and not require 3 years of trouble shooting by the public to get the bugs worked out. THAT is unacceptable any longer. Saturn cannot afford any more hits to it's reputation by offering cars that have to be taken back to the dealer over and over again to get all the "bugs" worked out.
BTW, wasn't the 4 cyl. engine used in the ION and Cobalt first introduced in the L Series ? Perhaps Saturn will be using other such units from the GM Worldwide bin.......[ just stay out of Belgium if looking for transmissions ] .


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