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Charlie 03-25-2014 11:20 PM

Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
A new story entry has been added:

[drupal=3538]Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?[/drupal]

[quote][IMG]http://www.saturnfans.com/images/keyplugandring.jpg[/IMG]
We're interested in talking to owners of 2003-2007 Saturn Ions who have had their ignition replaced or have experienced the engine shutoff problems. In addition, according the NBC News, there were also about 500 people in the country who were given one of the plastic plugs (shown above) a few years ago to put into their key ring from GM. Did anyone get one of these?[/quote]

eneloop 03-26-2014 12:10 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Oh now the news outfits all want to get involved, and no I did not get a plug.

Dutchman1954 03-26-2014 12:15 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
I had it happen to me once (other than the Passlock issue), and fortunately it was at a stop light. I was able to restart it after a few stressed minutes.

Charlie 03-26-2014 10:29 PM

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[QUOTE=eneloop;2053977]Oh now the news outfits all want to get involved, and no I did not get a plug.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for sharing!

We are fortunate to have a very active community of Saturn owners here on this site. When Saturn news happens, news outfits often check in to see how it impacts us. Sometimes reporters create accounts and interact directly with you, and other times they contact me for a high-level view of a situation. I think its pretty cool that you all have helped build such a respected community! I also think its a great that we have a way to give our concerns and opinions a "voice" outside the walls of SaturnFans.com.

I am very grateful for your support and participation!!

Charlie

Charlie 03-26-2014 10:31 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=Dutchman1954;2054110]I had it happen to me once (other than the Passlock issue), and fortunately it was at a stop light. I was able to restart it after a few stressed minutes.[/QUOTE]

Thanks! I can see how that would be a stressful situation! I am glad you never had the problem when you were driving your Ion. :yes:

Charlie

kevin.st56 03-27-2014 12:12 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
iv never seen the plastic clip. im still debating whether i should go in for the ignition lock swap or not, since i never had an issue with my car, and afraid that after it gets changed, someone else will go wrong. I like to go "if it isnt broken, it doesnt need to be fixed".

ChargerIon 03-27-2014 07:11 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Because isn't that what all of this comes down too???...People hang'n too much **** on their key ring causing the the key to turn the car off???
Sounds like simple physics to me.
Granted., the switch SHOULD probably be strong enough to hold ten pounds of keys....right??!! :whoa: :hmpf:
Uh., anyway...I've only had my "lock/unlock" module on my ring and have never had an issue.

viking 03-28-2014 05:58 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Yes, I experienced it. I had an 05 Ion 2, and the engine shut off out of the blue while driving on washboard out in eastern Oregon. I wasn't going more than 15mph, didn't lose control, and had no trouble stopping. There was nothing hanging from the key ring other than a small plaque. A few years later I ran into the passlock issue, at which point I replaced the ignition switch. Last week, Amazon notified me that the ignition switch I bought from them (ACDelco D1461F Ignition Switch) is being recalled.

It was a nice car. I don't have it anymore, as it was totaled a couple of years ago, rear-ended while stopped at a red light. I considered replacing it with a Cruze, but opted for a Jeep instead. Factoring into that decision was a sense that GM were dragging their feet when it came to recalls. The passlock issue alone warranted a recall. There was another issue involving power steering that I never ran into, but plenty of people did. GM wouldn't issue a recall over that either. If I remember correctly, they recalled the Cobalt, but got away with just extending the warranty on the Ions. The way they handled the ignition issue is inexcusable, criminal. I'm sorry to say it, but after what's come to light recently, I'm done with GM.

ddemier7 03-30-2014 02:41 AM

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I have never had my ignition shut off on my 04 Ion by itself, however im debating if I should get a replacement on this recall? I actually took off a couple old keys on my key chain the other day! When will parts be available for a recall? ? ?


Gm needs to recall the sway bar bushings! Horrible design!

zborgerd 03-30-2014 09:25 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
There are numerous threads on this issue that go back to 2007 and beyond. See one such example where I detailed the process to replace it and my feelings on the issue 5 years ago: [url]http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92569[/url]

This ignition problem happened to me on at least two occasions and we were fortunate enough that it was only a nuisance (such as making me late to work) and nothing more severe.

When I went into the Saturn dealership to buy the replacement part back in 2008, I suggested that the numerous reports on this problem warranted a recall from GM. The guys at the service center just shrugged, rolled their eyes, and quoted $200 to replace it. I purchased the part and did it myself.

Now it's taken a decade to recall this part. GM claimed ignorance of the issue but in reality it's coming out that they knew of the severity of this problem back in 2006 and tried to keep it quiet.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/business/a-florida-engineer-unlocked-the-mystery-of-gms-ignition-flaw.html?_r=0[/url]

I traded in my Saturn shortly after the announcement of the disbanding of the brand. It became hard to find parts and even though they claimed that Chevy dealerships would stock them, I was told that it could take 1-2 weeks to get certain items on some occasions.

Since then, I've never considered buying another product from GM. The factors that I mention above contributed to this and now this latest news just reinforces my distrust in the brand.

sw201444 04-04-2014 01:05 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
My mother worked for Saturn. She always stressed co-workers not to put too many things on their keychains. Never saw the key clip.. but she had an io, always had the car key separate, guess it makes sense now.. she had the BIGGEST keychain when she had her vue. - and now with her '12 GMC Terrain

daver 04-04-2014 01:47 PM

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Have not had it happen. The only thing on my key rings is the key and the factory fob.

Citation84 04-04-2014 10:56 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=ddemier7;2054959]I have never had my ignition shut off on my 04 Ion by itself, however im debating if I should get a replacement on this recall? I actually took off a couple old keys on my key chain the other day! When will parts be available for a recall? ? ?


Gm needs to recall the sway bar bushings! Horrible design![/QUOTE]

Parts will be available Apr.7th.

Ignatz 04-08-2014 09:06 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Sorta. Had a mirror image of the problem about 6 months ago. Wifey got to work one morning and couldn't shut it off. It didn't shut itself off, in fact it [I][U]wouldn't[/U][/I] shut itself off. The switch would turn to the off position, but the engine kept on running, and running, and running. So-o, some nice fella from the Munro shop next door pulled a fuse to stop it. The GM dealer replaced the switch to the tune of around $500. Think we'll get any reimbursement from GM? They replaced the ignition switch. We just got the recall notice, so now I wonder if GM doesn't know it was replaced, or if they replaced it with another defective part. As I said, the work was done by a GM dealer. I'll check back when we've gotten it in.

ttreibel 04-09-2014 12:05 PM

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I had the key get stuck at the on/run position. The car could only be shut off dumping my clutch with the brakes on and killing the engine that way, I would then disconnect the negative battery cable to avoid running the battery down.

I could restart the car because the ignition allowed me to advance and start the car but I could not get to accessory or off position.

When I got all the new parts and did the repair myself, I then removed the lock cylinder, the old cylinder was totally disintegrated, and it came out in many small pieces of metal and small springs.

If I knew now back then, I would of parked the car sooner, I totally understand how all those wrecks must have happened.

The new cylinder I installed claimed to be an updated version and looked totally different in design but fit perfect, I found a seller on ebay who sold them and keyed them if you provided the key code. My lock housing also was damaged and was the costly part to replace.

Ignatz 04-09-2014 04:24 PM

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[QUOTE=ttreibel;2057859]My lock housing also was damaged and was the costly part to replace.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, same here. After quoting me a price they called back to say they hadn't anticipated the housing and about doubled the original quote.

johnk 04-14-2014 12:33 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Never got the plug for my ION. Had 2 failed switches replaced by the dealer, one under warranty, one not and did one myself with a Dorman aftermarket ignition.

I never experienced the shutoff while driving and I only kept the Saturn key /fob and my Honda key on the ring.

The ION was totaled a few weeks back. Hit while at a stoplight.

I have been watching the decline of GM quality for many years and when they killed off Saturn and took the bailout, it really made me angry. Now with the news of this recall and their deliberate actions to not fix issues, I will not buy another GM product. For me GM crossed an ethical line and they cannot go back.

I have been very pleased with our two Honda's and will be purchasing another later this summer when we pass the 08 CRV to our son.

Ignatz 04-14-2014 07:20 PM

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[QUOTE=johnk;2058989]

I have been watching the decline of GM quality for many years and when they killed off Saturn and took the bailout, it really made me angry. Now with the news of this recall and their deliberate actions to not fix issues, I will not buy another GM product. For me GM crossed an ethical line and they cannot go back.

I have been very pleased with our two Honda's and will be purchasing another later this summer when we pass the 08 CRV to our son.[/QUOTE]

Please remember that for several years during this period the US Government owned General Motors. This ignition switch problem has come to light only after the company returned to private hands. An interesting question to pose to your congressman would be, "Why didn't you insist on better oversight while the government owned the company?"

I am driving primarily Chrysler products presently, but we also have a Saturn Ion from my MIL. I've owned a number of GM products and my last one was the best: a 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix. 250,000 miles, only a couple repairs, and unbelievably, the fuel economy rivaled the Saturn (31mpg highway). When the ignition module died I donated it to Good News Garage. If they were still making the Grand Prix in 2009 I would have bought another. They weren't and I shopped around and bought a Jeep Patriot. Only 1/2 as many miles as my Pontiac but still running strong.

Good luck with your Hondas; they have a good reputation.

johnk 04-15-2014 09:18 AM

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Point taken, however GM was a private company back in 2004/2005 when this problem originally surfaced. The Gov was only interested in keeping the lights on during their tenure. All good questions that need to be asked, but I doubt we will get any honest answers. A few people will get their hands slapped and a couple may outright lose their jobs, but I doubt those who were responsible for this will ever be charged. Very sad for those who lost loved ones due to a cheap fix not being implemented.

Time for consumers to vote with their dollars and if you don't like what a company does, take your business elsewhere.

02OrangeSC2 04-20-2014 09:22 AM

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My Key for my 2010 SKY Redline has just a hole like using that plug would create, but without that plug kit.

I'm the original owner of my 2004 ION RL and 2007 SKY RL. Neither one has had the problems with the ignition. And I've carried keys for up to 6 cars at once on my key ring. I've had the 2010 for 7 months. No problem either.

arfstrom 06-20-2014 09:44 PM

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I had similar issue. My issue I felt was a recall warranted, but no one ever said anything. My Car would go into a security lockdown. It was recommended to replace the ignition. so I did. So to count the times, and conditions of the lockdown

2 times on or next to a frozen lake, after playing on the ice. I guess my family was dressed for that time.

Multiple times at various stores during summer times, I guess I am lucky I could roll the windows down. It okay for families with dogs, Right?

Before I knew about the whole wait for 10 minutes and give it a shot?

I was going to work on a blizzard morning, I lost control of my car, from the on-ramp of the 4 lane divided highway, I banged the front bumper off the median, then the rear bumper nailed the median, leaving me facing 180 to normal traffic, and the vehicle would not start. lucky it was 4am and no traffic, hiked to Cub foods to call for help, and out from work, hiked home (1 mile start of blizzard conditions Jan 2008, near MSP) Hiked from home to car, found out it was towed, for $180. Was the 10 minute wait listed in the Users manual? No Cell phone, SOL.

So now I want to get with the dealership that replaced the ignition last time, to see if it they changed it right? or if I am still subject to the recall.

snakes 06-21-2014 09:05 PM

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Somehow I missed this thread and I'm last to post. I have an 05 sedan ion-1. I had the ignition switch replaced by Saturn back in 2007 ( key would get stuck,etc) then in 09/2013 I have my ignition switch replaced by Chevy. I was getting an intermittent stall issue only when shifting from drive into park and the dealor called the GM tech support line and recommended I replace the ignition switch/ lock cylinder. I had this work performed and was never offered a new key or a plug. I just had the ignition switch replaced recently at Chevy under the recall and received the new key. I also submitted a reimbursement claim for the work done be Saturn in 2007 and the work done in 9/2013. I was told by GM that I will be getting back the full reimbursement amount. So I guess GM is going the right thing. Now I just received the steering motor / electric recall letter .

ionlover 06-21-2014 10:48 PM

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I bought my 2007 Ion Quad Coupe new in 2006. I received the ignition switch recall notice and called the local GM dealer on May 6, 2014 to order the replacement ignition switch. They told me I have to wait for the part to come in. On May 30th I came home from somewhere, pulled into my garage, and attempted to shut my car off... no dice... the ignition switch was stuck in the RUN position. I called the GM dealer to ask for advice. The service advisor said since it was covered by the recall they would give me a rental car but I could not get it until Monday June 2nd. He also told me how to disconnect the ignition switch by pulling its plug. The Plug/Jack is under the steering column just above the change tray. That was very convenient and easier that pulling a fuze or disconnecting the battery to shut off the engine.

When I picked up the rental they told me GM is covering the cost. I've had the 2013 GMC Terrain for nearly three weeks now. It drives really well but gas mileage is 12 mpg less than my Saturn. :ugh:

****************

2007 Ion Quad Coupe / Chili Pepper Red
1999 SL2 / Silver
1995 SC2 / Aquamarine
1993 SL1 / Red

snakes 06-22-2014 11:13 AM

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Thanks for the info. I never knew you could do it that way. Last year that happened to my friends 06 ion and we had to take the fuse out. Back in 2006 this happened to my same friend and the car would not shut off, but back then the dealor and tech support advised her to drive to the dealorship that night and leave it unattended. or drive it and leave it running until it ran out of gas and then have it towed. Poor advice from the dealership as she didn't want to have her car stolen or get a ticket for leaving it running unattended. But back then they didn't know how to advise people correctly or were unaware of these issues

ionlover 07-02-2014 05:04 PM

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An update to my previous post: the dealer called yesterday to say my car is ready for me to pick up. Yeah! I was so ready to get her back. I went to the dealer and turned in my loner Terrain SUV. When they handed me the paperwork to sign I saw they were billing GM just over $1000 for my use of the loner for 4 weeks. Wow. Anyway I am happy to have my car back. I went home and treated her to a wash, wax and interior detail.
The ignition switch is new and the keys are new, although the keys are cut identical to my original key. They asked me to turn in the original key - they said they don't want them to be used.

*****************************

2007 Ion 3 Quad Coupe
1999 SL2
1995 SC2
1993 SL1

SaturnIONSLVUE 07-05-2014 09:42 AM

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I thought you did not have to wait for the rental and you can just drop the car off. That is what I was told by gm last week and it says it in the recall letter. "If you don't feel safe you can get a rental right away" the rental is paid for by gm not the dealer I was told that as well.

planighan 07-29-2014 04:39 PM

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I have a 2005 Saturn Ion 1 with a 2.0L engine. The vehicle was bought used in Dec 2009. There is no pwr equipment on vehicle other than pwr str. I had received recall on ignition switch and had it done 6/2014. I had never experienced the problem, (e.g. ignition turning off while driving) even though I have five items on a separating key chain that I drove with.
About the time I had the ignition recall work done I began to experience the loss of pwr str while driving. After car is parked and turned off then restarted pwr str comes back but will drift out again. Just after the problem started I received a recall notice from GM. They say they will replace the pwr str motor as soon as the part becomes available. Its been over a month and still no word that the part is available. Parenthetically, back in 2012, I received a letter from GM alluding to the problem on some cars and extending the warrantee on that part (pwr str motor) to 10 years or 150,000 miles. The letter further cautioned that unless you were experiencing the problem, don't take it to the dealer. This same problem, pwr str motor, occurred on the Chev Cobalt and Pont G something or other and GM changed them on those cars so the improve part is available. I found two GM parts dealers (one in Texas and one in Florida) selling them on ebay and I have yet to hear from GM that the part is available and get in to the dealer for replacement! In the mean time, let me tell you that steering without that pwr assist is difficult especially turning at intersections and into my driveway as you've slowed down to make the turn. PL

2007_ion2 07-31-2014 09:02 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
I just had the ignition switch done yesterday and I don't like the new key. It fees weird in my hand cause of the blank spot where the logo of the car should be. And the new design has the little hole for a small ring to be inserted to attach it to my key ring makes me feel like my key ring is bulkier. Would def have preferred to keep my old keys or get have some sort of logo (pref Saturn) on the key...tho I have nev experienced the ignition switch issue with the old one.

Ignatz 07-31-2014 08:16 PM

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[QUOTE=2007_ion2;2083040]I just had the ignition switch done yesterday and I don't like the new key. It fees weird in my hand cause of the blank spot where the logo of the car should be. And the new design has the little hole for a small ring to be inserted to attach it to my key ring makes me feel like my key ring is bulkier. Would def have preferred to keep my old keys or get have some sort of logo (pref Saturn) on the key...tho I have nev experienced the ignition switch issue with the old one.[/QUOTE]

I got my ignition done today. Like 2007_ion2 they gave me a new key set. Yeah, it looks different as noted: no logo and only a hole, not a slit. But, heck, its otherwise the same key! :key: I tried my old key and it still worked the ignition and it started the vehicle. So why the new key? Just to be nice?

fdryer 08-01-2014 03:10 AM

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Stop and think about the reason for the center hole on the new key in relation to the deaths caused by GM's deteriorating lack of "quality" over sight when a 50-cent piece of metal failed to hold the lock cylinder/ignition switch in whatever detent position it was supposed to be in when a combination of things occurred to allow the ignition switch to rotate and turn off...............

Ridiculously over weighted key rings like lead weights on a fishing line tugs on a key that's slotted in combination with the angle the ignition switch is in, the ON/RUN position. Add the normal road bumps and hard hits sometimes coupled with a 'weak' detent mechanism and a recipe for what already occurred took place; the ignition switch turns off. A slotted key allows leverage against a key without a slot when picturing how weighted keys hang in relation to ignition switch position and whether or not ignition switches are easily turned with jostling weights hanging from a key ring while driving. Some mechanical engineering principles with leverage will make it easier to understand why GM rushed new non slotted keys out as part of their recall service to avoid future litigation.

While too late to replicate now, with a new ignition switch/lock cylinder, anyone can attempt to duplicate the scenario that resulted in ignition switches turning off by simply tugging downwards and a little sideways with the ignition ON.

Cougarstang 08-01-2014 09:01 AM

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[QUOTE=Ignatz;2083217]I got my ignition done today. Like 2007_ion2 they gave me a new key set. Yeah, it looks different as noted: no logo and only a hole, not a slit. But, heck, its otherwise the same key! :key: I tried my old key and it still worked the ignition and it started the vehicle. So why the new key? Just to be nice?[/QUOTE]

What fdryer said is spot-on. Technically, they're supposed to take all of your old keys for this reason. They don't want you using the slotted key to avoid future litigation. The dealer that serviced mine, however, only kept the one key that I gave them with the car. Fortunately, I gave them the crappy generic replacement key and saved my saturn logo key, which still works. I find myself using the new ones, anyway.

I wish the new keys had the saturn logo, but beggars can't be choosers.

kevin.st56 08-01-2014 12:26 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=Cougarstang;2083317]I wish the new keys had the saturn logo, but beggars can't be choosers.[/QUOTE]

get it engraved into the key lol

2007_ion2 08-01-2014 03:00 PM

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That's a good idea. Wonder who much it will cost.

Ignatz 08-01-2014 03:36 PM

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[QUOTE=kevin.st56;2083359]get it engraved into the key lol[/QUOTE]

Or a decal. Download the logo onto a blank sticker. Clever, huh? :D
And, ditto Cougarstang. They kept Wifey's key but they never saw mine.

SaturnIONSLVUE 08-02-2014 10:18 PM

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Some of you had problems with the keys not working in the doors and trunk. That is because the keys are Pass lock plus keys (+) which have a bump out on the the top of them. Which they grind down the sides of the top of the key. (if you look you can see brass) Our Original and type for replacement should be PK3 pass-lock keys which do not have the bump out on the top. I had nothing but problems with my new keys they did not cut them right and they did not want to fix them. I went to another dealer which cut me new Buick keys by code for my Saturn 19 dollars for two keys. They are PRK keys which has the Buick logo on them and the old style key ring area. No problems now and they keys work fine. If you guys want a logo or have problems with the keys just get new ones made by code. (691205 Buick Logo - Strattec PK3 'Z' Keyway, Buick, Cadillac, Chevy, Olds, Pontiac, Saturn) I have attached an image of the two types of keys with the wrong (+) first and the correct (PK3) key second, look at your key and you can see they ground down the sides on the top to retro fit it work with PK3 door/trunk locks.

eneloop 08-03-2014 06:07 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Question:
Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?

Answer:
NO

Voz 08-03-2014 11:38 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
ANSWER: Yes.

Right now, trying to find out how I can get reimbursed for my ignition switch repair costs, (twice). The problem is according to the recall info, they want the receipts from the original repairs... The receipts that were in the glove compartment of my 2003 Ion... ...when it shut off, sliding downhill on the highway toward the traffic light on the ice on a February Friday morning and [I]piled under a pickup truck that was ahead of me at the traffic light[/I], a year and a half ago. After a year of wondering what went wrong that got my car totaled, a year later I learned that, "oops, we knew this could happen... uhhh, ten years ago..." Fortunately, I was fully seatbelted in, because, yes, the airbags did not activate, even though the officer estimated my speed to be higher than 30mph because the crash wiped back half of my engine compartment. My face is ugly enough without piling it into the dashboard and windshield, so I was thankful for my seatbelt, but have kind of resented GM over this whole issue. Never kept more than four or five keys on the key ring, but that morning a slight bump from a transition in the highway from concrete to asphalt was enough to shut off the car.

Citation84 08-04-2014 07:53 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Got my ignition switch and cylinder done [they;re doing both] and still have to push the button in that hole under the steering wheel to get the key out at least half the time. 2005 ION 1.

Used to do that all the time, this after having three or four new ignitions switches [one of which was reimbursed, the rest under warranty] and twice for the sensor [BTSI] replacement in the parking mechanism in the console that sends a message to the ignition to release the key or something.

The second repair was done gratis because it had been replaced once before under warranty. The most recent repair lasted just over a year and 3000 miles. That was in 2011. Done the same time as the BTSI. All work done by Saturn/Chevrolet techs. Nearly 10 years and they still can't make it right.

However all I have put into it is a battery after nearly nine years and just spent over $1000 in [hyper] preventive maintenance: all belts, hoses [including heater and others. AZ heat is murderous on rubber and they're all nearly 10 years old ], 4 wheel alignment, balance etc etc etc.

Prices are in line with the chain shops for the alignment balancing and other work they did. But there's lots of labor involved in removing and replacing all that rubber. That's where the cost went up.

The staff at the dealer is very friendly, nice people all around and I know they have an ultra high volume of recall work to do but at least make sure you replace the trim pieces on the console. The right side was laying in the passenger floor when I got it. All this took nearly a week, mind you. Previously an oil change there [ pre recalls BTW ] took three hours. I'll do it differently next time.

I'm done fighting trying to fix the ignition switch holding onto my key till I diddle something under the steering wheel to get it out. They've never repaired it to any standard of "fixing" the problem. I'm going to take it as just a quirk of the car. Only 60,000 miles on it, lots more left in it.

Wonder how long the power steering recall repair will take... the ignition switch repair took three days.

On my next car forget the sunroof, heated seats, leather, and high tech features. Just let me get the frigging key out of the ignition when I turn the car off without performing some obscene ritual to make it release.

kevin.st56 08-04-2014 11:54 AM

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[QUOTE=eneloop;2083746]Question:
Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?

Answer:
NO[/QUOTE]

ditto.
thats whats keeping me from getting it done.
"why fix something when it isnt broken?"

SaturnIONSLVUE 08-06-2014 07:25 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
I don't know if all the dealers are using the wrong keys and grinding down the top of sides. But the recall cost me 19.00 dollars to get new keys made at a different dealer, since the original dealer would not make me new ones.

Are the parts in yet for the power steering recall?

Ignatz 08-06-2014 09:11 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=Citation84;2083941]Used to do that all the time, this after having three or four new ignitions switches [one of which was reimbursed, the rest under warranty] [/QUOTE]

How did you get reimbursed? My dealer said they wouldn't because the previous repair was done with the correct (at the time) part.

[QUOTE=Citation84;2083941]Wonder how long the power steering recall repair will take... the ignition switch repair took three days.[/QUOTE]

The original repair (before the recall) took 3 days because they discovered the lock housing was also damaged and it had to be ordered. The recall itself was only 1 day.

IONmodman 08-06-2014 02:57 PM

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My car has been in for the Ignition Switch recall, took 3 months to get the part and 2 of those months sitting at the dealership until i called every week to see if it came in. Even after the switch recall I am still having the problem of turning my car off and getting the key out, the key just gets stuck right before the setting when it turns off the car entirely so i have to turn it back to the "Electrical only" mode and then try again, sometimes repeatedly.

Not very happy im still having a problem that was going to get fixed AND waiting 3 months for my part to come in.

I did not receive one of those plugs.

ddemier7 08-07-2014 09:42 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
My 04 saturn ion has a no start issue. It sometimes act like the passlock is engaging. My 04 ion just went in for the ignition issue at the dealership. Will the new ignition eliminate this no start issue with my ion? Does anyone have any idea?

SaturnIONSLVUE 08-07-2014 11:22 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
For all of that have stuck keys and keys that don't work after the recall, go out and buy new Buick PK3 GM Part: 89024245 keys. Have them cut at the dealer with the key code not a traced key from the recall one.

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kevin.st56 08-07-2014 01:08 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
it seems they are using cheap generic keys for when the ignitions are replaced, and possibly causing them to get stuck. from this, i am keeping one one of my originals. one of my originals happen to struggle turning at times, but it may be that my main one i use is a lil worn down compared to the other.

ddemier7 08-08-2014 02:43 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
My new ignition key set works pretty good. Im happy. I got the power steering motor assist fixed too. All is great! I just wounder if im going to have no start issues in the future like I have in the past. Should I dissable "passlock" by cutting the "white wire" or just leave it be?

kevin.st56 08-08-2014 01:00 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
id leave it for now and see

Citation84 08-11-2014 08:21 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=Ignatz;2084383]How did you get reimbursed? My dealer said they wouldn't because the previous repair was done with the correct (at the time) part.



The original repair (before the recall) took 3 days because they discovered the lock housing was also damaged and it had to be ordered. The recall itself was only 1 day.[/QUOTE]

The recall notice says they'll reimburse you for any previous repairs. You have to fill out paperwork and turn it in. What they told you was BS. Replacing a defective part with another defective part is not fixing the problem.

Call GM Customer service and tell them your situation, name the dealer.

Remember: you have to have receipts to turn in when you make your claim for reimbursement.

Citation84 08-11-2014 08:24 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=IONmodman;2084430]My car has been in for the Ignition Switch recall, took 3 months to get the part and 2 of those months sitting at the dealership until i called every week to see if it came in. Even after the switch recall I am still having the problem of turning my car off and getting the key out, the key just gets stuck right before the setting when it turns off the car entirely so i have to turn it back to the "Electrical only" mode and then try again, sometimes repeatedly.

Not very happy im still having a problem that was going to get fixed AND waiting 3 months for my part to come in.

I did not receive one of those plugs.[/QUOTE]

Same here: Recall done. Key still sticking in ACC mode and I still have to diddle the button under the steering wheel to get the frigging key out. 10 years of this nonsense and they still can't fix it

satfan91 10-25-2014 07:54 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Just as a heads up the part number 15842334 is on back order with no availability date from GM as of Monday Oct 20th 2014. I will be continuing to try and obtain these also will post once I find out they are available.

Some dealers may have them just would have to contact them all but my source(GM parts dealer) said the above.


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