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Charlie 03-25-2014 11:20 PM

Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
A new story entry has been added:

[drupal=3538]Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?[/drupal]

[quote][IMG]http://www.saturnfans.com/images/keyplugandring.jpg[/IMG]
We're interested in talking to owners of 2003-2007 Saturn Ions who have had their ignition replaced or have experienced the engine shutoff problems. In addition, according the NBC News, there were also about 500 people in the country who were given one of the plastic plugs (shown above) a few years ago to put into their key ring from GM. Did anyone get one of these?[/quote]

eneloop 03-26-2014 12:10 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Oh now the news outfits all want to get involved, and no I did not get a plug.

Dutchman1954 03-26-2014 12:15 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
I had it happen to me once (other than the Passlock issue), and fortunately it was at a stop light. I was able to restart it after a few stressed minutes.

Charlie 03-26-2014 10:29 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=eneloop;2053977]Oh now the news outfits all want to get involved, and no I did not get a plug.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for sharing!

We are fortunate to have a very active community of Saturn owners here on this site. When Saturn news happens, news outfits often check in to see how it impacts us. Sometimes reporters create accounts and interact directly with you, and other times they contact me for a high-level view of a situation. I think its pretty cool that you all have helped build such a respected community! I also think its a great that we have a way to give our concerns and opinions a "voice" outside the walls of SaturnFans.com.

I am very grateful for your support and participation!!

Charlie

Charlie 03-26-2014 10:31 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=Dutchman1954;2054110]I had it happen to me once (other than the Passlock issue), and fortunately it was at a stop light. I was able to restart it after a few stressed minutes.[/QUOTE]

Thanks! I can see how that would be a stressful situation! I am glad you never had the problem when you were driving your Ion. :yes:

Charlie

kevin.st56 03-27-2014 12:12 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
iv never seen the plastic clip. im still debating whether i should go in for the ignition lock swap or not, since i never had an issue with my car, and afraid that after it gets changed, someone else will go wrong. I like to go "if it isnt broken, it doesnt need to be fixed".

ChargerIon 03-27-2014 07:11 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Because isn't that what all of this comes down too???...People hang'n too much **** on their key ring causing the the key to turn the car off???
Sounds like simple physics to me.
Granted., the switch SHOULD probably be strong enough to hold ten pounds of keys....right??!! :whoa: :hmpf:
Uh., anyway...I've only had my "lock/unlock" module on my ring and have never had an issue.

viking 03-28-2014 05:58 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Yes, I experienced it. I had an 05 Ion 2, and the engine shut off out of the blue while driving on washboard out in eastern Oregon. I wasn't going more than 15mph, didn't lose control, and had no trouble stopping. There was nothing hanging from the key ring other than a small plaque. A few years later I ran into the passlock issue, at which point I replaced the ignition switch. Last week, Amazon notified me that the ignition switch I bought from them (ACDelco D1461F Ignition Switch) is being recalled.

It was a nice car. I don't have it anymore, as it was totaled a couple of years ago, rear-ended while stopped at a red light. I considered replacing it with a Cruze, but opted for a Jeep instead. Factoring into that decision was a sense that GM were dragging their feet when it came to recalls. The passlock issue alone warranted a recall. There was another issue involving power steering that I never ran into, but plenty of people did. GM wouldn't issue a recall over that either. If I remember correctly, they recalled the Cobalt, but got away with just extending the warranty on the Ions. The way they handled the ignition issue is inexcusable, criminal. I'm sorry to say it, but after what's come to light recently, I'm done with GM.

ddemier7 03-30-2014 02:41 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
I have never had my ignition shut off on my 04 Ion by itself, however im debating if I should get a replacement on this recall? I actually took off a couple old keys on my key chain the other day! When will parts be available for a recall? ? ?


Gm needs to recall the sway bar bushings! Horrible design!

zborgerd 03-30-2014 09:25 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
There are numerous threads on this issue that go back to 2007 and beyond. See one such example where I detailed the process to replace it and my feelings on the issue 5 years ago: [url]http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92569[/url]

This ignition problem happened to me on at least two occasions and we were fortunate enough that it was only a nuisance (such as making me late to work) and nothing more severe.

When I went into the Saturn dealership to buy the replacement part back in 2008, I suggested that the numerous reports on this problem warranted a recall from GM. The guys at the service center just shrugged, rolled their eyes, and quoted $200 to replace it. I purchased the part and did it myself.

Now it's taken a decade to recall this part. GM claimed ignorance of the issue but in reality it's coming out that they knew of the severity of this problem back in 2006 and tried to keep it quiet.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/business/a-florida-engineer-unlocked-the-mystery-of-gms-ignition-flaw.html?_r=0[/url]

I traded in my Saturn shortly after the announcement of the disbanding of the brand. It became hard to find parts and even though they claimed that Chevy dealerships would stock them, I was told that it could take 1-2 weeks to get certain items on some occasions.

Since then, I've never considered buying another product from GM. The factors that I mention above contributed to this and now this latest news just reinforces my distrust in the brand.

sw201444 04-04-2014 01:05 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
My mother worked for Saturn. She always stressed co-workers not to put too many things on their keychains. Never saw the key clip.. but she had an io, always had the car key separate, guess it makes sense now.. she had the BIGGEST keychain when she had her vue. - and now with her '12 GMC Terrain

daver 04-04-2014 01:47 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Have not had it happen. The only thing on my key rings is the key and the factory fob.

Citation84 04-04-2014 10:56 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=ddemier7;2054959]I have never had my ignition shut off on my 04 Ion by itself, however im debating if I should get a replacement on this recall? I actually took off a couple old keys on my key chain the other day! When will parts be available for a recall? ? ?


Gm needs to recall the sway bar bushings! Horrible design![/QUOTE]

Parts will be available Apr.7th.

Ignatz 04-08-2014 09:06 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Sorta. Had a mirror image of the problem about 6 months ago. Wifey got to work one morning and couldn't shut it off. It didn't shut itself off, in fact it [I][U]wouldn't[/U][/I] shut itself off. The switch would turn to the off position, but the engine kept on running, and running, and running. So-o, some nice fella from the Munro shop next door pulled a fuse to stop it. The GM dealer replaced the switch to the tune of around $500. Think we'll get any reimbursement from GM? They replaced the ignition switch. We just got the recall notice, so now I wonder if GM doesn't know it was replaced, or if they replaced it with another defective part. As I said, the work was done by a GM dealer. I'll check back when we've gotten it in.

ttreibel 04-09-2014 12:05 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
I had the key get stuck at the on/run position. The car could only be shut off dumping my clutch with the brakes on and killing the engine that way, I would then disconnect the negative battery cable to avoid running the battery down.

I could restart the car because the ignition allowed me to advance and start the car but I could not get to accessory or off position.

When I got all the new parts and did the repair myself, I then removed the lock cylinder, the old cylinder was totally disintegrated, and it came out in many small pieces of metal and small springs.

If I knew now back then, I would of parked the car sooner, I totally understand how all those wrecks must have happened.

The new cylinder I installed claimed to be an updated version and looked totally different in design but fit perfect, I found a seller on ebay who sold them and keyed them if you provided the key code. My lock housing also was damaged and was the costly part to replace.

Ignatz 04-09-2014 04:24 PM

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[QUOTE=ttreibel;2057859]My lock housing also was damaged and was the costly part to replace.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, same here. After quoting me a price they called back to say they hadn't anticipated the housing and about doubled the original quote.

johnk 04-14-2014 12:33 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
Never got the plug for my ION. Had 2 failed switches replaced by the dealer, one under warranty, one not and did one myself with a Dorman aftermarket ignition.

I never experienced the shutoff while driving and I only kept the Saturn key /fob and my Honda key on the ring.

The ION was totaled a few weeks back. Hit while at a stoplight.

I have been watching the decline of GM quality for many years and when they killed off Saturn and took the bailout, it really made me angry. Now with the news of this recall and their deliberate actions to not fix issues, I will not buy another GM product. For me GM crossed an ethical line and they cannot go back.

I have been very pleased with our two Honda's and will be purchasing another later this summer when we pass the 08 CRV to our son.

Ignatz 04-14-2014 07:20 PM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
[QUOTE=johnk;2058989]

I have been watching the decline of GM quality for many years and when they killed off Saturn and took the bailout, it really made me angry. Now with the news of this recall and their deliberate actions to not fix issues, I will not buy another GM product. For me GM crossed an ethical line and they cannot go back.

I have been very pleased with our two Honda's and will be purchasing another later this summer when we pass the 08 CRV to our son.[/QUOTE]

Please remember that for several years during this period the US Government owned General Motors. This ignition switch problem has come to light only after the company returned to private hands. An interesting question to pose to your congressman would be, "Why didn't you insist on better oversight while the government owned the company?"

I am driving primarily Chrysler products presently, but we also have a Saturn Ion from my MIL. I've owned a number of GM products and my last one was the best: a 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix. 250,000 miles, only a couple repairs, and unbelievably, the fuel economy rivaled the Saturn (31mpg highway). When the ignition module died I donated it to Good News Garage. If they were still making the Grand Prix in 2009 I would have bought another. They weren't and I shopped around and bought a Jeep Patriot. Only 1/2 as many miles as my Pontiac but still running strong.

Good luck with your Hondas; they have a good reputation.

johnk 04-15-2014 09:18 AM

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Point taken, however GM was a private company back in 2004/2005 when this problem originally surfaced. The Gov was only interested in keeping the lights on during their tenure. All good questions that need to be asked, but I doubt we will get any honest answers. A few people will get their hands slapped and a couple may outright lose their jobs, but I doubt those who were responsible for this will ever be charged. Very sad for those who lost loved ones due to a cheap fix not being implemented.

Time for consumers to vote with their dollars and if you don't like what a company does, take your business elsewhere.

02OrangeSC2 04-20-2014 09:22 AM

Re: Have You Experienced the Ignition Switch Issue?
 
My Key for my 2010 SKY Redline has just a hole like using that plug would create, but without that plug kit.

I'm the original owner of my 2004 ION RL and 2007 SKY RL. Neither one has had the problems with the ignition. And I've carried keys for up to 6 cars at once on my key ring. I've had the 2010 for 7 months. No problem either.


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