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Choronodon 03-31-2010 07:38 PM

06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
Hope someone can help me with this. The ignition lock cylinder on my 2006 Ion 3 has frozen in the run position. I can turn the key past run to the start position, but cannot turn it back to accessory or off. The dealership quoted me $600+ to fix, which I can't afford right now. I have a Chilton's guide for the 2003 - 2007 Ion line, and I tried used the process they detail for removing the lock cylinder (briefly, turn key to run, press first detent, press second detent, press first detent again). The cylinder can be withdrawn about one inch after following that process, but can't be withdrawn any further. Seems I'm getting stuck on something. Am I doing something wrong? Anything else I can try?

I've hunted all over google in the last couple of days, and searched through the forum. Found plenty of info on frozen cylinders, but nothing addressing how to remove a cylinder lock that won't come out. Any help would be great!

Choronodon 04-05-2010 07:59 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
Finally got the cylinder out. So the proper removal process is more like
1) depress the first (front) detent. the cylinder should move the tiniest bit
2) depress the second (back) detent. the cylinder should come out about an inch
3) you need to depress the first (front) detent again. If the catch is not lined up with the hole, you will need to adjust the cylinder until they line up. If the spring retention plate is not staying flush with the cylinder body (mine wasn't), it will probably bind on the cylinder housing, preventing you from turning the cylinder. You should be able to hold the retetion plate closed with a fingertip, allowing you to turn the cylinder. It's somewhat of a trial and error process.

So I got the cylinder out, carefully removed the tumblers from the cylinder, noting their position and code. Used that information to build the new cylinder that I purchased, but I can't figure out how I'm supposed to close the tumbler retention plate on the new cylinder. The instructions say "Secure by moving cylinder material over edges of the retainer with either a flat screwdrive or center punch on each of the four corners over the ends of the retainer." I've tried doing that, but the cylinder metal doesn't seem very inclined to budge. Any tips?

2006 ion2 04-05-2010 08:02 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
get a bigger hammer.

Way2QWK 04-12-2010 06:56 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
You actually dont need a new cylinder to fix this, but if you have a new one allready use it. The tumbler plate is kept down with a drop of super glue at each corner...no joke. take the key out when you glue it so the tumblers are not pushing up on the plate. Just dont put to much glue or the cylinder wont work. A picture would help to show you but I dont have any. $600 quote from dealer must have been a whole new housing. They are idiots if they cant fix these cylinders without replacing housings.

Riglpo 10-02-2011 03:18 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
[QUOTE=Way2QWK;1610176]You actually dont need a new cylinder to fix this, but if you have a new one allready use it. The tumbler plate is kept down with a drop of super glue at each corner...no joke. take the key out when you glue it so the tumblers are not pushing up on the plate. Just dont put to much glue or the cylinder wont work. A picture would help to show you but I dont have any. $600 quote from dealer must have been a whole new housing. They are idiots if they cant fix these cylinders without replacing housings.[/QUOTE]

To anyone who reads this the above mentioned solution totally works! I was having the same problem: car wouldn't shut off because the key wouldn't turn to the off position. I was quoted $500 by the GM dealer who told me I had to replace the lock cylinder and housing. As described above the plate over the tumblers was prohibiting the lock cylinder from turning inside of the housing. I simply bent the plate slightly so that it stuck on its own then put a very small dab of super glue on each side, let dry, then reinstalled it. It works like a charm!

Also, the removal method (alternating between the two slots) lifted above also works like a charm. Thanks for posting this you guys, it saved me a lot of time, trouble, and money.

Way2QWK 10-07-2011 05:18 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
glad it worked for you and you didnt have to pay the dealer.

tgurla 08-03-2012 08:27 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
I am having the same problem. I am excited that may not cost me any money to fix this however can you elaborate on getting to the plate in the cylinder. I know a little about cars and when I say little I mean changing oil, tires, and that is it. PLEASE HELP!!!!!

auntbonnie86 01-05-2013 04:39 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
This is the part I am not understanding---- depress the front detent? What is a detent and where do I find it? This whole paragraPH I dont understand because of the vocabulary Im not familiar with. Can some one please help me? 27/f in need of serious help! Thanks


"1) depress the first (front) detent. the cylinder should move the tiniest bit
2) depress the second (back) detent. the cylinder should come out about an inch
3) you need to depress the first (front) detent again. "

auntbonnie86 01-05-2013 04:42 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
Also, I have a 2005 saturn ion 1. Purchased a new key lock cylinder because i cannot put my car key in far enough to start the car... it goes to the ACC then to the II looking mark and it wont turn past that mark to the "C" looking symbol to start :( I just had a new key made to see if it would work. No... So now I have the part to change out but dont know how to remove the existing key lock cylinder

mdm 08-04-2013 02:52 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
Hi - just about to glue down the retention plate - hope it works. So far all you've said has been accurate.

I have an improvement on ideas about what to do at first when your Saturn (2006 Ion 3 in my case) key won't turn off leaving the engine running. Open the fuse box cover on the driver side - near your right leg when sitting in the seat - pull from the front first working towards the center of the car. In my case the 2A Ignition Module fuse was at the bottom left - pull it out - car stops.

Rather than go to the trunk and unhook the battery I went to the main fuse box in the engine compartment. I removed the fuse box cover - very easy by pushing the tabs at the two ends - it lifts off and with a bit of wiggling it comes free. I looked on the inside of the fuse box cover where it has labels for all the fuses. I found the 40A fuse that said Ignition 1 - pulled it out. The car went silent on the dash. Seems that fuse is the route past the key which is the whole idea anyhow - turn off the ignition switch. Just to test I put the 2A and 40A fuses back in - car starts up just fine (the next morning too - so it wasn't draining any power).

Now to get back to gluing down that retention plate and seeing if the "free" fix works. Crazy Glue is always trouble - might use a toothpick to be very careful about where it goes.

cire602 04-21-2014 06:43 PM

Same problem
 
im having a similar problem but on my car i cant move the lock cylinder to any postion it just stays in the off and im trying to remove it to put a new one but i cant remove it cause it only stays in that postion. Can anyone help me out?

VentureForth 08-17-2015 11:16 AM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
This can be fixed with the recall. I know this thread started before the recall, but for those searching google and landing here, here was my final disposition (including how to shut the car off):

[url]http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2153941&postcount=61[/url]

VentureForth 08-17-2015 09:17 PM

Re: 06 Ion 3 stuck ignition lock cylinder - can't remove
 
[QUOTE=Way2QWK;1610176]You actually dont need a new cylinder to fix this, but if you have a new one allready use it. The tumbler plate is kept down with a drop of super glue at each corner...no joke. take the key out when you glue it so the tumblers are not pushing up on the plate. Just dont put to much glue or the cylinder wont work. A picture would help to show you but I dont have any. $600 quote from dealer must have been a whole new housing. They are idiots if they cant fix these cylinders without replacing housings.[/QUOTE]

I want to clarify what's going on here. Again, this is best handled by the dealership as part of the ignition switch & cylinder recalls.

When you get the cylinder out of the housing, there are some parts that may be difficult to identify. The part that is being discussed above is a small metal plate that covers the springs. This wasn't intuitive to me immediately because it looked like the little metal plate was SUPPOSED to hinge and that the springs were just trying to escape. It's NOT suppoed to be hinged. Press it down with all the springs in place and hold. Insert the key and note that the bar opposite of the springs & plate should recess (or expand - I can't remember, but it's opposite of when the key is in). If this happens, things are good and you can CAREFULLY superglue the plate in place.

Now, I don't think that will affect the heavy-FOB-turning-off-the-ignition-while-driving recall, but at least you can turn the key cylinder in the lock.

It's been a couple of years since anyone has posted about this here, so I hope it's a non-issue now.


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