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Jsolts 06-12-2008 02:56 PM

2 transmissions 1 year?
 
just over a year ago something in my differencial broke and shot through the tranny destroying it, flooding my clutch with oil. $2000 to fix

Monday morning while my girlfriend was driving it, it did the exact same thing.

the garages i have spoke to have told me that this is a common problem with these cars, due to cheap parts in the diff.

Is this true ?

What could have caused this, im a little ticket that i have to put another $2000 into the tranny.

Any comments / suggestions?

Low Saturn 06-12-2008 03:41 PM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
[QUOTE=Jsolts;1263321] just over a year ago something in my differencial broke and shot through the tranny destroying it, flooding my clutch with oil. $2000 to fix[/QUOTE]

I sure hope that included some sort of lubricant.

[QUOTE=Jsolts;1263321]the garages i have spoke to have told me that this is a common problem with these cars, due to cheap parts in the diff.

Is this true ? [/QUOTE]

While not the best design, it can be avoided. Usually loss of traction on one or both wheels the suddenly gaining traction causes this. More so on manuals than automatics.

[QUOTE=Jsolts;1263321]What could have caused this, im a little ticket that i have to put another $2000 into the tranny.

Any comments / suggestions? [/QUOTE]

These transmissions can be found very, very cheap. A lot of us just disassemble it, weld the differential pin in place then reinstall it into the car.

You might want to find a different place to take your car to be repaired. More so since you've already spent more than your car is worth to repair the first transmission.

Jsolts 06-12-2008 04:22 PM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
[QUOTE=Low Saturn;1263348]I sure hope that included some sort of lubricant.



While not the best design, it can be avoided. Usually loss of traction on one or both wheels the suddenly gaining traction causes this. More so on manuals than automatics.



These transmissions can be found very, very cheap. A lot of us just disassemble it, weld the differential pin in place then reinstall it into the car.

You might want to find a different place to take your car to be repaired. More so since you've already spent more than your car is worth to repair the first transmission.[/QUOTE]



Just talked to the garage and aparently my clutch it still ok so i dont have to replace that again - new cost $1100 plus tax.

You said trannys are cheap, what is considered cheap?

Low Saturn 06-12-2008 04:32 PM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
[QUOTE=Jsolts;1263378]Just talked to the garage and aparently my clutch it still ok so i dont have to replace that again - new cost $1100 plus tax.

You said trannys are cheap, what is considered cheap?[/QUOTE]

So the difference in replacing a tranny plus a clutch and just replacing the tranny is $900? For a $100 clutch? Same amount of work is involved. Just take an extra five minutes or less two R&R the clutch/pressure plate. It should be removed and cleaned anyway since its probably covered in tranny fluid.

I regularly pick up transmissions for $69.99. Every couple months pick-n-pull has a half priced weekends and I get them for $39.98. If I know a half priced weekend is coming up, I go there during the week and remove a couple transmissions. Then I hide them at the other end of the yard in a truck or van and come back during the weekend and pick them up.

Jsolts 06-12-2008 04:57 PM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
[QUOTE=Low Saturn;1263384]So the difference in replacing a tranny plus a clutch and just replacing the tranny is $900? For a $100 clutch? Same amount of work is involved. Just take an extra five minutes or less two R&R the clutch/pressure plate. It should be removed and cleaned anyway since its probably covered in tranny fluid.

I regularly pick up transmissions for $69.99. Every couple months pick-n-pull has a half priced weekends and I get them for $39.98. If I know a half priced weekend is coming up, I go there during the week and remove a couple transmissions. Then I hide them at the other end of the yard in a truck or van and come back during the weekend and pick them up.[/QUOTE]

Thats awesome - unfortunately im not mechanically inclined enough to pull apart my transmission, what im amazed at is the fact that a used transmission + labour costs me $1000 (canadian) am i gettin robbed on labour?

Squareback 06-12-2008 05:42 PM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
You're getting robbed on all fronts. Parts, labor, you name it. Geez for $1000 CDN I'll drive to your house and show you step by step how to fix it in your driveway. Seriously, a transmission on an S Series Saturn can be done in your driveway on your back with hand tools before lunch. You're getting raped, hardcore. As LowSaturn pointed out, replacing a clutch along with a transmission should be an extra 1/2 hour of labor MAX. The clutch kit itself can easily be had for $100-$150, so basically they're charging you an additional $900 for about 10 minutes worth of work. Find a new shop. Find someone on this board close to you who knows what they're doing. Seriously. Where in Canada are you? Edit your profile so your location shows up like the rest of us and you won't ever have to answer that again.

madpogue 06-13-2008 10:36 AM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
What they're doing is charging as if they did the two jobs separately. Either the service writer knew that 95% of the labor is overlapping, or s/he didn't. If s/he did, it's fraud. If s/he didn't it's incompetence. In either case, I wouldn't spend another dime there.

Jsolts 06-14-2008 08:51 AM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
[QUOTE=Squareback;1263422]You're getting robbed on all fronts. Parts, labor, you name it. Geez for $1000 CDN I'll drive to your house and show you step by step how to fix it in your driveway. Seriously, a transmission on an S Series Saturn can be done in your driveway on your back with hand tools before lunch. You're getting raped, hardcore. As LowSaturn pointed out, replacing a clutch along with a transmission should be an extra 1/2 hour of labor MAX. The clutch kit itself can easily be had for $100-$150, so basically they're charging you an additional $900 for about 10 minutes worth of work. Find a new shop. Find someone on this board close to you who knows what they're doing. Seriously. Where in Canada are you? Edit your profile so your location shows up like the rest of us and you won't ever have to answer that again.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha Im tempted to take you up on that offer.
I just picked up the car from the garage, had to pay, needed it back asap.
i know im a sucker, but situations forced me to do what i had to do.
Total with tax was $1222.
Acording to the reciept - a used tranny was $599, and they replaced a couple of seals for $10 a piece, - personally from what you tell me i dont see how theres another $600 worth of labour on that.

And i took your advice and edited my profile. Im in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

RobTheHillbilly 06-14-2008 09:19 AM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
[QUOTE=Low Saturn;1263384]
I regularly pick up transmissions for $69.99. Every couple months pick-n-pull has a half priced weekends and I get them for $39.98. [B]If I know a half priced weekend is coming up, I go there during the week and remove a couple transmissions. Then I hide them at the other end of the yard in a truck or van and come back during the weekend and pick them up.[/B][/QUOTE]

Sneeky, very sneeky............ too bad we don't have yards like that around here. Most of the time I get " We aint got no Saturns" from the yard here

Jsolts 06-20-2008 09:38 AM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
Alright - so im about to go postal!!!

Paid 1200 to fix tranny, i pick up the car and its running a bit rough, when you start from a dead stop in 1st, or cuising around in a parking lot in 2nd (low rps) it felt like something is grinding or rubbing. So i took the car back to the garage and told them to fix it. They told me that the grinding was because the casing from the new tranny is slightly thicker then the old one.

I told the guy that made no sense to me, shouldn't all trannys be the exact same size, and he says no.

So then they "fix" the problem, i pick up the car, drive it twice, once home, and once to the store, on my way to the store, it stalls and wont start.

i push it onto a side street and leave it there for the night.

So i walk into the shop the next morning, toss the keys on the counter and say call me when its fixed.

They call me tell me that the timing chain snapped. - But i have what is called an interference engine - what that means is when the chain snaps - it wrecks the piston - which wrecks this and that - AND NOW I NEED A NEW ENGINE!

WHAT THE F%@%@ IS GOING ON HERE!

After 15 mins of yelling at them, they tell me that there is no way the two problems are connected.

Am i crazy....did they f my car?

PLease advise

Low Saturn 06-20-2008 10:30 AM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
[QUOTE=Jsolts;1267884] it felt like something is grinding or rubbing. So i took the car back to the garage and told them to fix it. They told me that the grinding was because the casing from the new tranny is slightly thicker then the old one.

I told the guy that made no sense to me, shouldn't all trannys be the exact same size, and he says no.[/QUOTE]

1991-2002 automatic transmission casings are almost identical. The only difference is the deletion of the front mount provision and threaded provisions for the upper mount which appeared in 1992. Neither of which would effect anything in your car. So their explanation there is total B.S.


[QUOTE=Jsolts;1267884] They call me tell me that the timing chain snapped. - But i have what is called an interference engine - what that means is when the chain snaps - it wrecks the piston - which wrecks this and that - AND NOW I NEED A NEW ENGINE! [/QUOTE]

If the timing chain really did snap and there were no noticable signs beforehand, then they obviously did something wrong. The transmission connects to the crank, the crank connects to the timing chain. So it is possible the two could be related.

amazinghl 06-20-2008 11:10 AM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
Has the oil been checked/changed regularly?

Did you check the oil after the car left the shop?

madpogue 06-20-2008 12:21 PM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
Have they provided visual proof of ANYTHING they're saying? If not, why do you keep tossing the keys on their counter?

Timing chains don't snap. Their guides and tensioners wear, as do the chains and sprockets themselves. They make a LOT of noise LONG before they eventually fail.

You need to start trusting your own understanding and judgement about how these cars (and cars in general) work, rather than trusting mechanics.

Jsolts 06-20-2008 01:58 PM

Re: 2 transmissions 1 year?
 
[QUOTE=Low Saturn;1267909]1991-2002 automatic transmission casings are almost identical. The only difference is the deletion of the front mount provision and threaded provisions for the upper mount which appeared in 1992. Neither of which would effect anything in your car. So their explanation there is total B.S.




If the timing chain really did snap and there were no noticable signs beforehand, then they obviously did something wrong. The transmission connects to the crank, the crank connects to the timing chain. So it is possible the two could be related.[/QUOTE]


They told me that as far as they were concerned, it is 2 seperate incidents that have nothing to do with eachother.

When they fixed it the first time and put the new tranny in, and i took it back cause i wasnt happy- they called me and said they fixed the problem with the rough sounds. But they said the noise was comming from under the hood and it sounded like a sewing machine.

- no i did not check the oil - i drove it home - 2 mins away

and then it died when i took it to the store

called the saturn dealer ship and all they can find is a used engine - 2200 in total for install


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