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Kenter 10-20-2017 01:23 PM

Aluminum valve cover swap
 
I have a 98 Saturn sl2 with the dohc and it has the plastic valve cover and Iím swapping it to the aluminum valve cover as I see thatís the definitive way to fix the valve cover problem once and for all. Iíve browsed through the various valve cover swap threads of the past and they all are pretty comprehensive. Although I notice the one mentions the rear middle bolt hole and it says donít worry about it but I canít see where it says what to do with it either? Any help is greatly appreciated!

alordofchaos 10-20-2017 02:14 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
Is this the guide you are using?
[url]http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187908[/url]

Unfortunately, I can't see the pics. And I don't know which thread you are referencing with the concern about the middle bolt hole. So I am guessing a bit here as I have not done this swap yet.

The heads for cars that came with plastic covers had an extra hole because the plastic covers need it to keep it from leaking (over a long stretch, plastic will flex a bit)

The aluminum cover has, I believe, fewer bolt holes (not needed to stop flex as it is rigid).

So if you are swapping, you will have an extra bolt hole (or two) that is not used.

See this thread and follow the links, you'll see the # of bolt holes varied
[url]http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137680[/url]

billr 10-20-2017 02:16 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
Be sure to get the screws along with the aluminum VC, they are different than the ones used with the plastic VC.

Kenter 10-20-2017 02:24 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
Yeah I do have the vc and the bolts.:arr: No actually my aluminum vc has an extra boot hole on the very back towards the trans. Iíll try to get some pics to show what Iím talkjng about.

Kenter 10-20-2017 09:44 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
[QUOTE=Kenter;2257469]Yeah I do have the vc and the bolts.:arr: No actually my aluminum vc has an extra boot hole on the very back towards the trans. Iíll try to get some pics to show what Iím talkjng about.[/QUOTE]

Well since I don't wanna be a complete ass and post 9 more times just so I can post my own pictures.. a little rant.... why cant I post my pictures from my user profile on this site? Isn't this site and the user picture part of this site the same? :dizzy:

Anyways if you search (3 or 4 bolts near spark plug holes on DOHC aluminum valve cover) in the search bar now I know why mine has 11 bolts, so the last hole in the spark plug valley on the end. I guess I'll just modify by cutting off the end of the bolt and jb weld that sucka in? Since it isn't used and all?

fetchitfido 10-21-2017 12:21 AM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
The plastic cover use's more bolts than the aluminum one. Not sure how long the ebay link will last, but it shows the extra hole it has.
Plastic: [url]https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/fNIAAOSwjVVVw-dn/s-l225.jpg[/url]
Aluminum: [url]http://s799.photobucket.com/user/saturninin/media/P7060070.jpg.html[/url]

Why bother doing anything with the threaded hole in the head other than ignore it? Nothing's going to leak out of it...


If your aluminum cover has 4 bolt holes IN the spark plug area then you managed to get one from the 1-2 years they're incompatible with '93+.

Kenter 10-21-2017 09:23 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
Thanks fetchitfido yup looks like I have "incompatible" 93 one. Although it looks as though it will work? The only discrepancy is the fourth bolt hole in the valley right?

fetchitfido 10-21-2017 10:28 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
This is what your's looks like?
[img]http://www.saturnfans.com/photos/data/500/valve-cover-with-4-bolts.jpg[/img]
I had thought the whole bolt pattern was different for the "4" from the "3" but I guess not...

I think I'd do something borderline stupid and lop off the head of a valve cover bolt and silicone it in the "extra" spot to fill the hole if the other 3 actually line up. There shouldn't be much/any pressure under the VC so standard oil-resistant silicone should do fine (RTV black...) but if not upgrade to JB Weld.

OldNuc 10-21-2017 11:01 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
There is sufficient pressure that silicone or RTV will promptly fail. A washer and 6mm nut is the only option if there is adequate clearance.

Kenter 10-22-2017 01:42 AM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
Yessir thatís what my valve cover looks like indeed. Today I found a washer, lock washer and a 6mm nut. Tomorrow Iím going to red loctite the nut on and tighten the bolt down so hopefully it wonít leak, or come apart whilst in use. :drool:

gmcelroy 10-22-2017 01:51 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
Question....Will a 93 SL2 aluminum valve cover solution work on a 99 SL2??.....

billr 10-22-2017 01:55 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
I don't think so, I think the '99 and on up are a completely different head.

fetchitfido 10-22-2017 03:25 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
'99-'02 have the silly narrow head, won't fit the good valve cover. '00-'02 won't fit the good intake manifold either, but that's easier to make work than the valve cover.

Kenter 10-22-2017 07:56 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
Silly question fetchitfido what is considered the good intake and what makes it gooder ;)

fetchitfido 10-22-2017 07:59 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
'91-'99 DOHC and '91-'02 SOHC have metal/aluminum intake manifolds with no issue's ('00-'02ish SOHC's do have a folded gasket issue...but that's not the intake manifolds fault)
'00-'02 DOHC's have plastic intake manifolds that crack in half and dump coolant everywhere because the crappy plastic they used has no business running coolant through it.

Kenter 10-22-2017 11:38 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
Ah I see good thing I already have the aluminum one then hopefully no troubles. Got the old gal all back together today now she runs pretty good. I do notice an occasional stutter when Iím driving it? Like trans or bad gas? The trans shifts fine from gear to gear and reverse doesnít slam into gear anything like that? Iíll see if it gives me any codes tomorrow on her maiden voyage.

Saturn Night 10-23-2017 12:34 AM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
[QUOTE=Kenter;2257509]Well since I don't wanna be a complete ass and post 9 more times just so I can post my own pictures.. a little rant.... why cant I post my pictures from my user profile on this site? Isn't this site and the user picture part of this site the same? :dizzy:

Anyways if you search (3 or 4 bolts near spark plug holes on DOHC aluminum valve cover) in the search bar now I know why mine has 11 bolts, so the last hole in the spark plug valley on the end. I guess I'll just modify by cutting off the end of the bolt and jb weld that sucka in? Since it isn't used and all?[/QUOTE]

[url]www.car-part.com[/url]

1993-1995 Saturn 1.9L DOHC, VIN "7" Aluminum Valve cover is a direct bolt on to the 1996-1998 Saturn 1.9L DOHC.

You need to chance the bolts, and buy the Fel-Pro Perma-Dry(recommended) OR comparative valve cover gasket for the aluminum valve cover. I recommend the Fel-Pro kit, because they supply NEW rubber grommets for the cover bolts. It retails for $34.99 in my area, and lifetime warranty against leaks. It DOES require a torque wrench.

Saturn Night 10-23-2017 12:35 AM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
[QUOTE=gmcelroy;2257606]Question....Will a 93 SL2 aluminum valve cover solution work on a 99 SL2??.....[/QUOTE]

No. Head castings were changed in the 1999 model year. 1999-up are stuck with the plastic covers, unfortunately.

Saturn Night 10-23-2017 12:39 AM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
[QUOTE=Kenter;2257637]Silly question fetchitfido what is considered the good intake and what makes it gooder ;)[/QUOTE]

The 1991-1999 intake has better flow rates in CFM, allowing the peak horsepower to occur at 6,000rpms with the stock TB unit. This allows for a wider rpm range between peak torque and peak horsepower. The 2000-2002 plastic manifolds, aside from cracking at the inlet for the coolant flow from the heater core, are restricting and limit power to 5,600 rpms.

The plastic manifolds can't take advantage of the Geo Storm TBs, as well. Adding the SOHC Geo Storm TB will raise the HP on an older Saturn, to 6,200 rpms, and is a direct bolt up to the manifold. The throttle cable is another story....

Kenter 10-26-2017 10:11 PM

Re: Aluminum valve cover swap
 
Hey yíall so Iím getting po141 o2 sensor malfunction sensor 1 bank 2. It sounds like the flex pipe is leaking I bet thatís why it throwing the code. This coming weekend Iím going o try a fuel filter to stop the stuttering and see what happens any other suggestions?


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