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Heartbeat - '95 SL2 10-20-2018 06:06 AM

Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
My 95 SL2 will be 25 years old next year. Will Saturns be a classic, collectible car? Are the 91-93 cars appreciating in price or considered collectible? Iím the original owner and it was/is my 1st new car, so Iím emotionally attached. Before the SL2, I had a 67 Mustang which I sold when it became impossible to smog. I somewhat regret selling it since, even if I had paid to garage it, it may have been worth it.

Iím tempted to keep the SL2, but Iím not in a position to work on it myself, so maintenance & repairs costs will far exceed book value of roughly $800. My friends laugh - they donít think Saturns will ever be classic like Mustangs.

Iíd like to keep it another year as a 2nd car, but could see where itís a bad investment if theyíre just going to slowly disappear. As it is, I see fewer Saturns on the road now than there were Mustangs when I sold mine. Iíve Googled to no results any plans on a Saturn museum, so I think Saturn really is a cult following, not the mass appeal that made the Mustang and Camaro such popular classics.

Thoughts?

pierrot 10-20-2018 09:00 PM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[FONT="Palatino Linotype"][SIZE="3"]Will Saturn's be seen as classic/collectible cars? That's a tough question to answer and, of course, any reply would guessing at best. I suppose the best way to ascertain what might occur with this car line as it enters the "Cars of Particular Interest" age group would be to compare it with models which had similar sales and general public interest. As much as it pains me to say this, perhaps comparisons should be made with AMC's unusual models of the '70's - the Gremlin and the Pacer come to mind. Saturn, too, was an unusual car line - especially relating to the S-Series. Several later models, like my LS1, were hybrid US-European cars which didn't have near the following of the S-Series cars.[/SIZE][/FONT]

GTS350 10-26-2018 02:54 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
I seriously doubt they will become classics. They just don't fit any of the normal criteria. There will always be a small portion of people who may want to own or collect them but that doesn't make them a classic.

Tethys 10-27-2018 12:20 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
The Ion Red Line, as Saturn's performance model, should be Saturn's first classic when it becomes eligible in 2029, along with the Sky and Sky Red Lines, though by definition, any surviving 1991-1993 Saturn models are already classics, with 1994 added to that category next year.

After that, the Vue Red Line, with its novel Honda 3.5L V-6, should be next. The garden-variety models - S-series, L-series, Ion, Aura, Vue, Vue Green Line, Outlook, etc., will simply become rolling curiosities, much like finding a surviving Pacer, Matador, Eagle, Gremlin, is today.

onefunkar 10-27-2018 05:59 PM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
The 8 2010 skyís should be. Iíve seen some of the 21 2010 solstices for sale for over 60k.

Citation84 10-30-2018 11:35 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
There will always be a following.

There are still collectors of Studebakers, AMCs, Hudsons and Nashes. Even Yugos and Trabants have their fans.

I never thought I would see the day repro manufacturers would make parts for old Valiants or Falcons.

Saturns have an interesting back story, unique construction, simplicity and enjoyed [and still enjoy] a loyal fan base.

I have seen so many columnists, all the way back to the 50s claim that their current decade of cars will "never be collectible". And they've been wrong.

With the internet, more enthusiasts of a particular marque can connect with other fans, find obscure parts, buy and sell cars.

The arrival of a 25 year old K Car at a car show even produced articles that memorialized the event at the time.

The usual cut off for car club or show participation seems to be 25 years. Show up with your car and what others think can blow.

At a local car show [huge, actually] a couple of weeks ago, were a 92 Impala and a 94 Olds Cutlass convertible.

There is room for all kinds of cars in the hobby.

I'd walk across the show field to see an early S Series as opposed to yet another Cobra clone or the common as dirt Chevy, Ford, Mopar Big Block jacked up 1 of none cars. They all have their fans. I grew up with them. I've seen them over and over again.

But those stripper 6 cylinder oldies or cars from somewhere other than the Big Three [or independent of] will hook me every time.

Don't wait for permission or validation. The snobs will never approve, but they won't be having the fun or the connection you'll have with your Saturn.

Citation84 10-30-2018 11:40 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[QUOTE=Tethys;2284716]The Ion Red Line, as Saturn's performance model, should be Saturn's first classic when it becomes eligible in 2029, along with the Sky and Sky Red Lines, though by definition, any surviving 1991-1993 Saturn models are already classics, with 1994 added to that category next year.

After that, the Vue Red Line, with its novel Honda 3.5L V-6, should be next. The garden-variety models - S-series, L-series, Ion, Aura, Vue, Vue Green Line, Outlook, etc., will simply become rolling curiosities, much like finding a surviving Pacer, Matador, Eagle, Gremlin, is today.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Rolling curiosity.

Part of the reason I scored the "blue bubble roof rails and interior trim for my ION.

Have you ever seen these in the wild ?

I'll be like the the old Uncle still driving his 59 Studebaker Lark. In 1990.

Just check back in 2030.

2NDSOUT 11-19-2018 02:43 PM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[QUOTE=Tethys;2284716]The Ion Red Line, as Saturn's performance model, should be Saturn's first classic when it becomes eligible in 2029, along with the Sky and Sky Red Lines, though by definition, any surviving 1991-1993 Saturn models are already classics, with 1994 added to that category next year.

After that, the Vue Red Line, with its novel Honda 3.5L V-6, should be next. The garden-variety models - S-series, L-series, Ion, Aura, Vue, Vue Green Line, Outlook, etc., will simply become rolling curiosities, much like finding a surviving Pacer, Matador, Eagle, Gremlin, is today.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. The S-Series first model year was unique (1991), of which- any of the 48K made for the first model year if they still exist, are now eligible for Historical Plates (The 25 year mark in most states). There were plenty of limited production S-Series Cars- The 1994 and 1999 Homecoming Editions (3500 and 4000 made- respectively, The 2001 Bumblebee with black roof (99 of them built), the Red Hot and White Hot Cars...

Those that are in Car circles, will know the history of the Car, as well as Saturn....

People pooped on The Corvair... and now? It's a collectible car that is sought after...

[url]http://www.collectorcarmarket.com/collector-car-profiles/Chevrolet-Corvair_1960-64/1960-64-Chevrolet-Corvair.html[/url]

[url]https://www.corvair.org/[/url]

The websites above- are what I think would be cool to happen with S-Series cars... maybe it's wishful thinking, on my part... ???

Francophile50 12-30-2018 12:57 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
I'm not sure exactly where but I did read that the early Saturn's were now considered classics. Their style and forward-thinking we're revolutionary despite what people think. Unfortunately their evolution wasn't enough to entice the amount of people to purchase the vehicle like the manufacturer was looking for. for the short. Of time that they were around I believe they made an incredible impact. And in this volatile market that we are now seeing I will be surprised if we see any American car resembling what we remember around for long. As long as I don't get into a major accident with either of my cars day should the economical enough to drive for a very long time. Oh and by the way I own a Studebaker and those cars don't compare in performance to are Saturn's.

VUEmaniac 12-30-2018 11:10 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[QUOTE=GTS350;2284618]I seriously doubt they will become classics. They just don't fit any of the normal criteria. There will always be a small portion of people who may want to own or collect them but that doesn't make them a classic.[/QUOTE]

I agree. There's just too many of them to have any type of "exclusivity" factor in and that's what ultimately drives the price of collectible cars.

I don't see any evidence of prices going up. They've more or less stabilized for the oldest Saturns in the low single digit thousands for the cleanest examples.

Best,

Driver Tom 01-03-2019 04:28 PM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[QUOTE=Tethys;2284716]The Ion Red Line, as Saturn's performance model, should be Saturn's first classic when it becomes eligible in 2029, along with the Sky and Sky Red Lines, though by definition, any surviving 1991-1993 Saturn models are already classics, with 1994 added to that category next year.

After that, the Vue Red Line, with its novel Honda 3.5L V-6, should be next. The garden-variety models - S-series, L-series, Ion, Aura, Vue, Vue Green Line, Outlook, etc., will simply become rolling curiosities, much like finding a surviving Pacer, Matador, Eagle, Gremlin, is today.[/QUOTE]

Agree. The Redline stuff has the best chance of seeing collectible interest.

unit731 01-25-2019 09:00 PM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[QUOTE=GTS350;2284618]I seriously doubt they will become classics. They just don't fit any of the normal criteria. There will always be a small portion of people who may want to own or collect them but that doesn't make them a classic.[/QUOTE]

They may not become classics but certainly collectible. Just do a utube search of any orphan brand and there certainly is a following.

I once attended an annual Rambler Meet. All were ordinary Ramblers but those folks were certainly enthusiastic.

GTS350 01-27-2019 02:25 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[QUOTE=unit731;2291235]They may not become classics but certainly collectible. Just do a utube search of any orphan brand and there certainly is a following.

I once attended an annual Rambler Meet. All were ordinary Ramblers but those folks were certainly enthusiastic.[/QUOTE]

Ramblers have become popular since they are one of the last affordable ways of getting into a 60s-70s era car without spending a fortune. Unfortunately they had/have the reputation of being an "old persons" car so they don't have the demand that the Big 3 have, so they won't demand the prices either.
Here is the best example; The most desirable Rambler is the SC/Rambler (Scrambler) only 1500 made (and defiantly not an old persons car) you can pick one up for a fraction of what you would pay for a limited edition performance model from one of the Big Three which would be in the 6 figure range.

atikovi 01-27-2019 09:07 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[QUOTE=Heartbeat - '95 SL2;2284118]Before the SL2, I had a 67 Mustang [/QUOTE]

You're comparing an entry level family driver to a high performance sports car. Not really valid. Compare the Saturn to similar GM cars 20 years prior. Not may Chevettes left and they are not particularly valuable now. At least the Saturn won't have as much rust issues.

dssl1 02-07-2019 02:13 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
Turbo and Redline Saturn Sky's will be classics. Even base models may just because of their looks and RWD. S-series I can't ever see being a classic. Ion redline could be, but it would be for sure if they'd continued into 2008 and got the turbo the Cobalt SS got.

The 2009 Cobalt SS sedan, now there is a classic. I can't think of a better factory sleeper. A 260hp turbo 4 door Ion Redline would have been even better. Instead, we got an Opel :(

A Redline Vue only makes slightly more sense than a Redline Relay... Not a classic.

2NDSOUT 02-07-2019 09:06 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
I honestly believe- that any 1991 Model Year cars (Remember only ~48K were built the first year); which now are eligible for Historical Plate status...and rightly should be labeled as such... will be classic.

Also- any limited production S-Series Cars, I think, will be considered Classic. As I have mentioned- those car gurus in Car circles, who know the history of Saturn; will know about these cars, and may even have a limited production model-

Any remaining 1991 Model Year S-Series
1994/1999 HCE
10th Anniversary
2002 Spring Special
White/Red Hot
Yellow Bumblebee Edition (99 of these were built- NOT to be confused with the regular 2001 Yellow SC Edition... ~3000 of the regulars were built)

THESE are the cars that will be considered "Saturn Classics"

dssl1 02-07-2019 12:06 PM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[QUOTE=2NDSOUT;2292274]I honestly believe- that any 1991 Model Year cars (Remember only ~48K were built the first year); which now are eligible for Historical Plate status...and rightly should be labeled as such... will be classic.

Also- any limited production S-Series Cars, I think, will be considered Classic. As I have mentioned- those car gurus in Car circles, who know the history of Saturn; will know about these cars, and may even have a limited production model-

Any remaining 1991 Model Year S-Series
1994/1999 HCE
10th Anniversary
2002 Spring Special
White/Red Hot
Yellow Bumblebee Edition (99 of these were built- NOT to be confused with the regular 2001 Yellow SC Edition... ~3000 of the regulars were built)

THESE are the cars that will be considered "Saturn Classics"[/QUOTE]
To car gurus in car circles who know the history of Saturn, yes. But not to the masses. I agree there is probably no other 90's era car more revered among DIY owner/mechanics except the Honda Civic, and the Civic won't be a classic either, it's just too ubiquitos and changed shape too much. The Datsun 610 is more of a classic than any Civic. The masses don't know the Saturn S series or Civics like they know the Model T, '57 Chevy, Split-window Stingray, '64.5 Mustang, '77 Trans Am, VW bug, Willys-Overland Jeep, Lamborghini Countach etc. by sight to be classics, but maybe not enough time has passed. I think the Sky/Solstice has the best chance of being identified and remembered, but the rebadging does blur it's identity some.

I see the Saturn S-series as a 90's era version of the 80's era Chrysler K-car, which was a great car and a milestone in automotive history, but not a classic.

A car older than 25 years makes it an antique, not a classic.

2NDSOUT 02-08-2019 08:10 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
[QUOTE=dssl1;2292283]To car gurus in car circles who know the history of Saturn, yes. But not to the masses. I agree there is probably no other 90's era car more revered among DIY owner/mechanics except the Honda Civic, and the Civic won't be a classic either, it's just too ubiquitos and changed shape too much. The Datsun 610 is more of a classic than any Civic. The masses don't know the Saturn S series or Civics like they know the Model T, '57 Chevy, Split-window Stingray, '64.5 Mustang, '77 Trans Am, VW bug, Willys-Overland Jeep, Lamborghini Countach etc. by sight to be classics, but maybe not enough time has passed. I think the Sky/Solstice has the best chance of being identified and remembered, but the rebadging does blur it's identity some.

I see the Saturn S-series as a 90's era version of the 80's era Chrysler K-car, which was a great car and a milestone in automotive history, but not a classic.

A car older than 25 years makes it an antique, not a classic.[/QUOTE]

I can agree with everything you have written. I should point out a few things as well:

There are people in today's society now- who were not alive during the 1990s; and many of them were babies as Saturn was putting cars on the road. Many of those people are now in their late 20s/early 30s- so they don't know the history.

Saturn was the first nameplate that was created by GM in [B] 80 Years [/B]... Not an easy task, when you are trying to compete with all of the other Auto Union and UAW related things. The UAW contracts were completely different from any other UAW contracts that were written before them. 11 Different states were chomping at the bit to become the state where Saturn would be built- with Tennessee winning the bid. Saturn lived up to it's name and branding- because it was different. A startup auto company? Who would have thought that could happen? And 8 years of solid R & D before they made the first car as well.

Classic/Antique... I think they can be interchangeable in some certain terms.

Are Saturns Antique? In some instances, yes.

Are Saturns Classic? In some instances, yes- based on the info above- and the fact that the first couple of model years, were unlike any other car that was on the market.

As I mentioned before- People pooped on the Corvair... ironically- the only other GM platform car that shared a Z Body designation with the Saturn S-Series... and now- they are considered a Classic.

We are coming up on the 10 year anniversary since Saturn has been out of production; and almost 20 years since the S-Series has been out of production. Give it a few more years. I think once the 20 year mark rolls around in 2022- you will see some news articles and such that will talk about how different Saturn was as a car and as a company; before GM decided to end "The Experiment"...

onlinebiker 05-16-2019 06:47 PM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
I've got a historic vehicle plate on our teal 93 SC2...

Even put it in a small show last week


:)

Loman908 05-29-2019 02:49 AM

Re: Will Saturns be classic cars?
 
This thread is so informative and helpful for me.


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