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hoffman_BMX89 11-24-2012 11:21 PM

changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
hey guys i am hoping someone here can help me with my dilema btw the car is a 2005 vue 2.2l 5spd. So i had to change my thermostat due to a pesky p0128 cel. While i was down there i also replaced my ects sensor. When i pulled the thermostat the seal on the inside was all chewed up so i guess it wanst closing all the way which was causing the cel. I got a brand new acdelco thermostat and ects from rock auto. So i changed both parts fill up the coolant and bleed it but now i got no heat, and my car is running weird the temp gauge goes from 1/4-3/4 it never did this before usually it would stay just a touch over 1/4. When i touch the hoses from the heater core only the bottom one is hot the top one is cool to touch. but when i shut off the car the top one gets hotonce all the coolant settles. When i start up again i have heat for a brief minute. What could i have done wrong here guys i am almost thinking that i put the thermostat in wrong but from what i remember it can only go in one way. and i really dont want to take that thing apart again it was a pain in the as*

ssicarman 11-25-2012 12:01 AM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
The heater core is likely air locked. Try bleeding the air from it. The colder hose is the one you want to work with. On the engine side (engine off, rad cap off) slide the clamp down the hose and loosen the hose from the fitting but leave it in place. Start the car and use a smaller screw driver to create a gap between the hose and the fitting. This will let the air out and should let the coolant flow through the heater core. When you start to get coolant coming out of the opening remove the screw driver and see if you start to get heat. You will likely need to do it a few times and maybe even on the the other hose.

Double GG 11-25-2012 05:39 PM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
Agreed. A good practice that I've done when refilling an engine is to dump the coolant into the radiator and engine separately and bump the truck around to dislodge some of the air bubbles. Drive it around a bit and watch the temps and eventually the system will burp itself.

hoffman_BMX89 11-25-2012 06:30 PM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
Thanks for the input guys I have tried all of this and still no heat. I would get a bit of heat at the beginning and then nothing. The temp gauge is all over the place too I will be at 1/2 then all of a sudden to below 1/4 I have decided to take the thermostat out and replace it again I think it's faulty. Let me know what you guys think.

far2grumpy 11-25-2012 07:29 PM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
[QUOTE=hoffman_BMX89;1932326]Thanks for the input guys I have tried all of this and still no heat. I would get a bit of heat at the beginning and then nothing. The temp gauge is all over the place too I will be at 1/2 then all of a sudden to below 1/4 I have decided to take the thermostat out and replace it again I think it's faulty. Let me know what you guys think.[/QUOTE]

To best of my knowledge each engine with water pump requires a coolant bypass system to circulate coolant when the thermostat is closed.

The 3.5 engine uses the heater core and throttle body de-icer for the bypass.

I suspect the 2.2 does likewise. So, the question is - could the heater core be clogged?

There are probably coolant hoses leading to throttle body - check these for heated coolant soon after engine start.

No flow to either and the wildly swinging ECT could indicate air blockage downstream of thermostat - bad thermostat - bad water pump, etc. :hmpf:

hoffman_BMX89 11-25-2012 07:46 PM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
i flushed the heater core alreday by unhooking it and running the hose through it it was clear. all hoses are hot when the car is on except the ones to the heater core they seem to only be hot when they want to

fdryer 11-25-2012 09:29 PM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
Any chance the heater hoses are on incorrectly? Someone recently posted a similar issue and mistakenly swapped both heater hoses resulting in no heat.............

far2grumpy 11-26-2012 12:00 AM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
[QUOTE=hoffman_BMX89;1932344]i flushed the heater core alreday by unhooking it and running the hose through it it was clear. all hoses are hot when the car is on except the ones to the heater core they seem to only be hot when they want to[/QUOTE]

Does the hose to throttle body get hot? Are, have you found?

hoffman_BMX89 11-26-2012 09:49 AM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
The heater core hoses are in their original position. There is a hose coming from the head and yes that one does get hot. All the hoses get hot and stay hot the ones from the heater core seem to get cold every now and then possible when the thermostat opens or closes

fdryer 11-26-2012 10:12 AM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
I asked about hoses as one member, here or in another Saturn forum, eventually found out that he mistakenly switched heater hoses around and caused his own problem with no heat. When switched around, heater flow returned.

Saturns have full time heater cores - coolant flows all the time regardless of thermostat operation. Its been a feature for most cars not using an actual shut off valve to stop coolant flow through heater cores. Without a shut off valve to fail, GM can say that heater operation is almost instantaneous in cold weather. The heater core relies on the bypass hose and coolant flow configuration with the water pump to continuously flow engine block coolant through the heater core. The heater will warm up long before the thermostat opens for engine cooling.

You may have to remove the bypass hose and check it for clogging. Any chance that sealer was used?

hoffman_BMX89 11-26-2012 03:16 PM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
No sealer was used. I also ran a hose through the heater core to make sure it was clear. I am so stumped with this

far2grumpy 11-26-2012 04:24 PM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
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[QUOTE=hoffman_BMX89;1932492]No sealer was used. I also ran a hose through the heater core to make sure it was clear. I am so stumped with this[/QUOTE]

I've attached two thumbnails - one for heater core inlet hose routing and the other for outlet return.

You are satisfied the heater core is not blocked. You know the inlet hose (lower) is warmed by coolant. I'd try loosening the heater outlet hose (upper) to verify coolant is under significant pressure (do before coolant is hot).

Lack of pressure could be due to bad water pump or blockage in pump outlet plumbing.

Significant pressure at heater outlet would indicate (to me) the heater return path is obstructed, either in the hose or in engine return plumbing.

supercars 02-21-2013 05:11 PM

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Check that thermostat installed correctly. There is a black plastic spacer that holds thermostat between heater core lines. This allows spring to face water pump. Which is correct position in 04 Vue 2.2. If spring is facing block and both heater core lines are behind it you have installed it wrong. Hope this helps we just solved same problem on a Vue.

02BlackSC2 12-30-2013 10:17 AM

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I know it has been a while, but anyone know how this turned out?

David 93 SL2m 12-14-2014 10:37 PM

Re: changed thermostat now i got no heat HELP!
 
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I changed the thermostat on my 2004 VUE with the Ecotec 2.2 liter engine and had the same exact outcome as [B]hoffman_BMX89[/B].

[B]supercars [/B]is correct. The incorrect re-assembly of the thermostat and the associated components will lead to the issues described in this thread.

Now that I see how to do this correctly, I get the joy of doing this rather difficult job again.

The following images show the correct re-assembly.


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