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Charlie 04-20-2008 11:12 PM

To Boost Sales, Saturn Rethinks Itself
 
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[quote]Business Week magazine offers an in-depth look at the "rethinking" behind Saturn's new advertising campaign that's set to kick-off later tonight. Look for the new ads to have a more sophisticated flair than in the past, something Saturn hopes will reinforce the fact that its new lineup of smart, chic cars and sport-utilities.[/quote]

VTHokie00SL2 04-20-2008 11:38 PM

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[i]The key, he says, has been to find the images and voice that will engage women, but without alienating men. The TV media plan reflects the new focus: Gossip Girl, Smallville, Brothers & Sisters, the Today show, Good Morning America, and The Oprah Winfrey Show. [/i]

Um, sorry to say, I think that's enough to alienate most straight men out there. The new Saturn isn't going to be a brand that men will want to be associated with!

I still wish some other company would develop some sort of dent resistant body panels, though! It's the one thing I really miss about my old Saturn!

John10 04-21-2008 06:49 AM

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>> The key, he says, has been to find the images and voice that will engage women, but without alienating men. <<


Given the fact that I see many men and women doing things together and sharing common interests, I don't understand the problem in those terms. The answer of where to advertise is as obvious as opening your eyes as to where your target market resides, works and how they are spending their leisure time. The issue is probably less a matter of men versus women than variations in lifestyles among men and women alike. If advertising portrays its customer base as successful, affluent and attractive, how does it also target those who feel less than confident, frustrated and alone but who still have money and need a vehicle?

saturn_69 04-21-2008 10:47 AM

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[QUOTE=VTHokie00SL2;1237268][i]The key, he says, has been to find the images and voice that will engage women, but without alienating men. The TV media plan reflects the new focus: Gossip Girl, Smallville, Brothers & Sisters, the Today show, Good Morning America, and The Oprah Winfrey Show. [/i]

Um, sorry to say, I think that's enough to alienate most straight men out there. The new Saturn isn't going to be a brand that men will want to be associated with!

I still wish some other company would develop some sort of dent resistant body panels, though! It's the one thing I really miss about my old Saturn![/QUOTE]Yes, because straight men don't watch Oprah or Smallville or Good Morning America. They're too busy killing something or driving their Hummer to do that.:rolleyes: What a stupid statement. I didn't realize you could determine sexuality by what someone watches, and by extension what they drive. Be straight, just don't be narrow.

unkle bik 04-21-2008 11:51 AM

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Oh,..."[B][I]chic[/I][/B]" cars.
I thought he said "[B][I]chick[/I][/B]" cars....:blockhead

VTHokie00SL2 04-21-2008 01:10 PM

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Well, Saturn already has somewhat of a reputation for being a "chick car" and I only see them reinforcing that. If they can get enough sales that way, more power to 'em, but time will tell if that approach is a good one.

BobbyP 04-21-2008 01:37 PM

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[QUOTE=VTHokie00SL2;1237503]Well, Saturn already has somewhat of a reputation for being a "chick car" and I only see them reinforcing that. If they can get enough sales that way, more power to 'em, but time will tell if that approach is a good one.[/QUOTE]

I heard from day one it was targeted for women over 25.

I saw some blogs about Saturn Rethinks Itself on a non-Saturn site and most of the comments were not very flattering.

Let's bundle Saturn with Hummer and Saab if that's the direction they want to go...

s-seriesguy 04-22-2008 12:10 AM

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[quote]Business Week magazine offers an in-depth look at the "rethinking" behind Saturn's new advertising campaign that's set to kick-off later tonight. Look for the new ads to have a more sophisticated flair than in the past, something Saturn hopes will reinforce the fact that its new lineup of smart, [b]chic cars[/b] and sport-utilities.[/quote]
Anymore, that's the truth. Saturn needs an agressive looking car that has some power (OPC Astra). The Sky Redline isn't cutting it, it's another chick car.

BobbyP 04-22-2008 01:36 AM

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[QUOTE=s-seriesguy;1237798]Anymore, that's the truth. Saturn needs an agressive looking car that has some power (OPC Astra). The Sky Redline isn't cutting it, it's another chick car.[/QUOTE]

Saturn has the VUE Red Line, and Aura XR.

What do you want a Dodge Challenger, or Mustang GT?

rossao1 04-22-2008 06:39 AM

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"Chick car" vs "Chic car" vs a "Man's car" Blah blah blah,

Marketing is the art of taking a whole truth and creatively splitting it into 2 half truths that sound better.

A market meeting discussion can go on like this..
Guess what? Both men and women buy cars! No wait, that is just old fashioned (so a woman says), or that dog don't hunt (says the man). He says, I've got it! Lets tell people that if that car has more 10% more power than the other, its macho and get them to buy it! She replys with, no wait, lets say that the car can run on a bio fuel and that is good for the planet! Or let say, rethink American and have the car made in Mexico, no better yet import it from Belgium! Lets Rethink safety! (Like someone else doesn't?) Well lets go on Oprah and give cars away! That will make them sell! Yeah!

The boss comes in and says yes! We must give lots of cars a way to keep making them faster and cheaper than ever! Goood work people, let go get some overpriced coffees at starbucks and play some golf later.
:eek:

Just give me a good car, at a good price, keep it simple, durable, and a joy to own and drive. What is wrong with small town values? NOTHING! Nothing at all.

se200 04-22-2008 07:46 AM

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The premise is nonsense. it's rethinking thinking. That's what car companies are all about.
Saturn is just the new Oldsmobile. an upscale version of the cheap chevy. I like the Aura and the GF was going to get one to replace her aging Grand Am and the G6 is not pretty like the Aura. But the no haggling thing that appealed to her when she did not know better has long passed. And no GM points on Saturns means they have lost a sale.
GM seems to be trying to hold the market on people who will never be on here unless to ask 1 question and leave. Saturn is for I need a car, it looks pretty, how much are the payments? You'll recommend replacing parts on the chance they might fail later but as long as I'm not without a car, I'll pay lots of money because I don't have the desire to know anything about something that I depend on to get me places safely and on time.
Saturn built a great for the money car originally and now they are trying to pass off that chevy with different trim as the reliable saturn.

davidsky 04-22-2008 11:38 AM

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[QUOTE]I like the Aura and the GF was going to get one to replace her aging Grand Am and the G6 is not pretty like the Aura. But the no haggling thing that appealed to her when she did not know better has long passed. And no GM points on Saturns means they have lost a sale. [/QUOTE]
What did you buy?

[QUOTE]GM seems to be trying to hold the market on people who will never be on here unless to ask 1 question and leave. Saturn is for I need a car, it looks pretty, how much are the payments? You'll recommend replacing parts on the chance they might fail later but as long as I'm not without a car, I'll pay lots of money because I don't have the desire to know anything about something that I depend on to get me places safely and on time.
Saturn built a great for the money car originally and now they are trying to pass off that chevy with different trim as the reliable saturn.[/QUOTE]

Can somebody translate this?

saturn_69 04-22-2008 11:47 AM

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[QUOTE=davidsky;1237980]Can somebody translate this?[/QUOTE]Oooo...sorry, I left my "Trollish to English" dictionary at home. My bad.:D

davidsky 04-22-2008 11:50 AM

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I wonder if it would be possible for GM to subsidize the construction of about 500-1000 new Saturn dealerships. Maybe even allowing those dealerships to sell other brand cars. (Any one but Chevrolet, take your pick.) That would be the only real way to sell more cars. These women that Saturn is trying to cater to are very often moms, and what mom is going to drive 40 miles plus to have their car serviced.

davidsky 04-22-2008 11:52 AM

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[QUOTE=saturn_69;1237990]Oooo...sorry, I left my "Trollish to English" dictionary at home. My bad.:D[/QUOTE]
I don't think that was Troll as much as it was Bushese.

akpeper 04-22-2008 12:05 PM

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[QUOTE]And no GM points on Saturns means they have lost a sale. [/QUOTE]

If you would have been paying attention over the last week you might have seen that Saturn is now accepting GM Card earnings.

saturn_69 04-22-2008 12:21 PM

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[QUOTE=davidsky;1237994]I don't think that was Troll as much as it was Bushese.[/QUOTE]

Rosetta Stone doesn't make a program for Bushese...heck, Bushese changes from day to day, even the source gets confusicated from time to time.

s-seriesguy 04-22-2008 08:52 PM

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[QUOTE=BobbyP;1237807]Saturn has the VUE Red Line, and Aura XR.

What do you want a Dodge Challenger, or Mustang GT?[/QUOTE]
Neither of them have much of a fun to drive factor.

No, a Saturn that actually has some power and is fun to drive. I don't think it's too much to ask for a compact coupe that has at least 230+ horsepower paired with a manual with a nice suspension and brakes. Chevy is getting the turbo LNF Cobalt SS while Saturn is stuck with an underpowered hatcback.

John10 04-22-2008 09:53 PM

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To all those who were concerned that the Saturn advertising campaign would be too directed at women, the first new Saturn VUE ad that I personally saw on television appeared on tonight's Comcast broadcast of the Philadelphia Flyers/Washington Capitals seventh and deciding NHL opening round playoff game. That seems to me to be directed at a target audience composed of a high percentage of men and also women who share common interests with men. Perhaps the people creating the new marketing effort are a bit more clever and capable than some would have given them credit to be. :yes:

VTHokie00SL2 04-22-2008 11:00 PM

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Well, whatever they decide to do with Saturn, it ain't the Saturn of the 1990's in any way shape or form. Anyone want to help me found my own car company, specializing in affordable economy class American built dent resistant plastic cars? ;)


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