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patchouly 09-04-2010 10:33 AM

L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
I have a 2001, L200. It's a great little car! However, when I bought it, I was unable to engage the parking brake. I would pull up on it but it wouldn't be far enough for it to ratchet. Well, I continued to procrastinate with this issue until yesterday.

So, yesterday, I decided to find out one way or the other what was going on. I pulled on the parking brake as hard as I could and actually got it to click three times. When I released the brake, the car rolled. The "parking brake warning light" was on, but the brakes weren't engaged. So, I released the parking brake and tried again. After several attempts, the brakes seemed to "partially" engage. Problem was, when I released them, the warning light went off, but the brakes were still engaged.

I got down under the car (or as much of me that would fit LOL), and sure enough, the cable to the rear driver's side brakes, was rusted. I wiggled and pulled on it and heard a tension/squeak noise. After checking the car, it seemed to have released "most" of the way ( it still seems to squeak, very quietly, a little bit).

Looking at how the cables hang down on each side and knowing that I live in Canada with it's cold winters, the rusting issue is not a big surprise.

My question (you knew there had to be one eventually, right?) is, has anyone else had this issue? Did you have the cables replaced and, if so, how much did it cost?

Thanks in advance guys! This looks like a great forum and a fantastic resource for we Saturn owners!

fdryer 09-04-2010 07:59 PM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
If no one offers their personal suggestions to fix this, pm me an e-mail address so I can send you all the FSM pdf's needed and you can choose which way to address this. Saturnfans e-mail address doesn't allow large files.

bobbyrae 09-04-2010 11:15 PM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
Does that car have rear drum or disk brakes? If drum, you will want to make sure the shoes are adjusted correctly, then you will want to check the adjustment on the parking brake cables.

Without seeing the cables, I can't comment on how bad the rust is, but I would take the car to an indepedent brake mechanic and ask for an inspection.

patchouly 09-05-2010 12:43 PM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
fdryer, you have a PM.

[QUOTE=bobbyrae;1656695]Does that car have rear drum or disk brakes? If drum, you will want to make sure the shoes are adjusted correctly, then you will want to check the adjustment on the parking brake cables.

Without seeing the cables, I can't comment on how bad the rust is, but I would take the car to an indepedent brake mechanic and ask for an inspection.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's the brakes, themselves, that are the issue. The guy told me they were brand new when I bought the car. He claims they had a brake job done on it, before they put it on the lot.

What I think happened is, there is an opening in the cable's sheath, due to rust. The cable had completely seized up. When I tried to pull up on the parking brake lever, I was unable to move the sized cable so, consequently, I couldn't engage the parking brake.

After pulling it on several times, the cable must have slipped along enough to partially engage the brakes. However, when the parking brake lever was lowered, the cable didn't slide back to it's "relaxed" position. Instead, it remained partially engaged.

Then, after I wiggled the cable, it was able to release and slide back.

Of course that's all hypothesis, as I am in no way a mechanic.

born again 09-06-2010 10:42 PM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
Although I have never had a problem with the parking brake on my car (2000 LS1), I have had with some previous cars. Rust of the cable inside a sheath is a fairly common problem. My solution for this is the same as for many conditions. Rust-Check spray lubricant/rust preventative is available at Canadian Tire. It is similar to WD-40 but is a much better lubricant and lasts much longer. It creeps and penetrates and dissolves the rust, then continues to lubricate for months.

patchouly 09-07-2010 10:04 AM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
[QUOTE=born again;1657239]Although I have never had a problem with the parking brake on my car (2000 LS1), I have had with some previous cars. Rust of the cable inside a sheath is a fairly common problem. My solution for this is the same as for many conditions. Rust-Check spray lubricant/rust preventative is available at Canadian Tire. It is similar to WD-40 but is a much better lubricant and lasts much longer. It creeps and penetrates and dissolves the rust, then continues to lubricate for months.[/QUOTE]

Thanks "born again"! I'll check that out!

AJR 09-07-2010 02:49 PM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
I have the exact problem with my 2002 L200 (4 wheel discs). Interestingly enough, it's also on the driver's side housing. The passenger side is still good.

I discovered this in the winter. I could not get it unstuck for the longest time on a really cold night. Water got in and froze. Luckily, I was in Cabel's parking lot. With all the camping gear, food, hunting equipment, etc., I could have camped out in that parking lot indefinitely...or at least until the credit card was maxed out. :)

I've not solved the issue yet. I keep it well packed with lube and the housing wrapped tightly with aluminum foil and tape to keep the lube in and at least some water out, but I know this isn't the ultimate solution.

I wonder if cable and housings can get replaced in sections. It would be nice, rather than having to replace the entire thing. I think the part alone is about 400 bucks at Saturn.

Andy

patchouly 09-07-2010 06:20 PM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
[QUOTE=AJR;1657421]I have the exact problem with my 2002 L200 (4 wheel discs). Interestingly enough, it's also on the driver's side housing. The passenger side is still good.

I discovered this in the winter. I could not get it unstuck for the longest time on a really cold night. Water got in and froze. Luckily, I was in Cabel's parking lot. With all the camping gear, food, hunting equipment, etc., I could have camped out in that parking lot indefinitely...or at least until the credit card was maxed out. :)

I've not solved the issue yet. I keep it well packed with lube and the housing wrapped tightly with aluminum foil and tape to keep the lube in and at least some water out, but I know this isn't the ultimate solution.

I wonder if cable and housings can get replaced in sections. It would be nice, rather than having to replace the entire thing. I think the part alone is about 400 bucks at Saturn.

Andy[/QUOTE]

I called a Mechanic today and was told that he could replace, just the length of cable between the main cable and the brake (The "Intermediate" cable). That single cable will cost between $79 and $120 (labour included) depending on the type of brakes I have.

AJR 09-08-2010 09:05 AM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
[QUOTE=patchouly;1657480]I called a Mechanic today and was told that he could replace, just the length of cable between the main cable and the brake (The "Intermediate" cable). That single cable will cost between $79 and $120 (labour included) depending on the type of brakes I have.[/QUOTE]

Interesting...please let me know how the repair goes. I now have an independent that I might take it to for this. Saturn assured me the cable couldn't be replaced in sections as it is one long piece. I was never totally convinced of that though.

Andy

FutureSat 05-17-2018 11:20 PM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
On my 2002 saturn LW200, the parking brakes never worked. like you I just put it off and finally got around to replacing it. 4 disc brakes front & rear..

First thought- Cables which looked rusted.. replaced both sides

Parking brake still does not work..

Further inspection, there is a spring mechanism located at the bottom of the rear disc brake housing where the parking brake cable feeds into under the bottom rose bushing.. this spring looks like a tension that pull the cable back when disengaged. Passenger side had the spring, driver's side spring was missing..

added spring from scrap yard.

Parking brake still does not work.

Next up will be taking off the rear wheels and take off the calipers and discs to visually inspect the condition of the parking brakes..

Most likely after all this above ^^ was done is that everything inside the parking brake housing will be seized and rusted to crap.. Thanks Ontario Canada.

pierrot 05-18-2018 03:57 PM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
[FONT="Palatino Linotype"][SIZE="3"]Please let us know what you find and how you resolve the problem. Two years ago I swapped out the rear drum brakes on my LS1 for rear disc brakes and I am so glad that I did it. The improvement in braking is significant. Of course, rust due to salted roads and related snow driving conditions are largely non-existent in Southern California.

Your situation has me curious because the parking brake system is not complex. I hope that all goes well for you in getting the parking brakes to work correctly again.[/SIZE][/FONT]

FutureSat 11-02-2018 09:51 AM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
To update: The parking brakes are a low priority for me as I have multiple cars.
However I did investigate, As mentioned I replaced the Parking Brake cable lines from good lines from a Upick yard. I took off the rear tires & rotors and the parking brake pads were worn. to explain the furthest to the rear pad on boths sides only. the front pad was intact. the back pads the friction portion had broken off on one side and on the other side the rear pad was not even there anymore.. just a metal E brake shoe and the front Ebrake shoe was still intact.

I took it all out. WD40 & made sure all mechanical parts were moving. on one side the mechanical arm at the bottom to connect to the Ebrake cable link was seized.. this was the drivers side rear that was actually more of a problem.. which had the Rear ebrake shoe friction pad totally missing!

WD40 & antiseize. put it back in. left the shoes out.. replaced the Pins as I bought AC Delco new Parking Brake Hardware. the Pins.. I had to unmount the bearing hubs to remove the old & replace with the New Pins.. 4 bolts where the rear ABS sensor is. until I find new brake shoes it will stay as is.

Wish I could post pictures, this site doesn't allow large .Jpeg files taken on my HD camera phone.

fdryer 11-02-2018 11:45 AM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
Resize images to around a megabyte or less and your images will be acceptable as thumbnails. I use Paint but any image handler will do if they allow changing file size.

FutureSat 11-10-2018 08:58 PM

Re: L200 Parking Brake Issues
 
3 Attachment(s)
Resized these are the images I have of my l200 E-Brake replacement.

New cables old cables shown in pic.

Rear Left (drivers side) Parking brake Back Pad completely missing!
Bottom pulley was seized.

success on uploading.. just did a screenshot of the photo to resize.


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