2008 VUE Red Line needs 300hp 3.6L V6

[BobbyP]

If GM was serious about the new VUE Red Line they would use the new, 3.6-liter, direct-injection V-6 making about 300 hp.

With the added weight and StabiliTrak the new VUE Red Line should be capable of handling the power.

[montrealvue]

You haven't even tried the 3.6L/6 SPD combo yet, how can you say its not enough? On paper the RL looks like plenty of power, even more than most in the market despite it being the same drivetrain as the XR.

[sspeer]

I'd like to see the DI version just for the fuel mileage benefit.

250 is plenty of power..GM needs to be focusing on fuel efficiency

I can understand the desire for RL exclusivity HP numbers, but a RL package on a VUE is really all about looks and some minor handling enhancements. No one buys an SUV to go racing

The engine lineup is already complicated enough..they don't need a 5th. I think they should go more the route of a performance exhaust and get a 5-10 HP bump

[Tbonedawg08]

250 is plenty of power..GM needs to be focusing on fuel efficiency

I can understand the desire for RL exclusivity HP numbers, but a RL package on a VUE is really all about looks and some minor handling enhancements. No one buys an SUV to go racing

this is true...i think there shoud be a performance increase, but maybe some nice big chrome rims should come first? maybe some aftermarket things that people have been putting on the cars? like nice rims, grill, window tint, exhaust, ect.

[gmhashope]

The Aura XR goes 0-60 in 6.2 seconds with the same engine/tranny combo, taking into consideration the aero/400 lb weight difference, it won't be any worse than 8 seconds. There are few SUVs that go faster 0-60 than that and I there is a high chance the VUE will get the 3.6 DI once it has been used in Cadillacs for a few years to help lower production costs.

[Audialize]

If GM was serious about the new VUE Red Line they would use the new, 3.6-liter, direct-injection V-6 making about 300 hp.

With the added weight and StabiliTrak the new VUE Red Line should be capable of handling the power.

Lol....man that sucker would fly with 300hp in that little Vue. But yeah, its sad, but all the redline is is different looks and more standard options, and its been that way for a while. And your right, i dont think GM is serious about the Vue Redline, or the Vue, period.

[sspeer]

this is true...i think there shoud be a performance increase, but maybe some nice big chrome rims should come first? maybe some aftermarket things that people have been putting on the cars? like nice rims, grill, window tint, exhaust, ect.

But there is a performance increase..exactly where SUV's are weakest...in handling!

[Nuke-Em]

...maybe some nice big chrome rims should come first? maybe some aftermarket things that people have been putting on the cars? like nice rims, grill, window tint, exhaust, ect.

No, no, no and no. Leave all that gawdy, tacky crap to the Escalade. The Redline is about power under the hood, and, more imporantly, better handling.

Chrome wheels, grilles, tint, etc. would be better marketed as the Blingline.

Aside: I need a shower for just using the word "bling"

Matt

[davidsky]

And your right, i dont think GM is serious about the Vue Redline, or the Vue, period.
Looks awful nice for something they're not serious about.

[sspeer]

Looks awful nice for something they're not serious about.

Agreed!

Be happy they didn't nix the Redline models with Saturn's reinvention.

Saturns won't be about on-track performance..but about real world, on-road, confident, and spirited driving dyanmics with a healthy dose of style.

I see Chevy and Pontiac serving more the over the top looks and or performance people

[Tbonedawg08]

No, no, no and no. Leave all that gawdy, tacky crap to the Escalade. The Redline is about power under the hood, and, more imporantly, better handling.

Chrome wheels, grilles, tint, etc. would be better marketed as the Blingline.

Aside: I need a shower for just using the word "bling"

Matt

lol, i'm not saying to make it in to a drug dealers SUV, just give it some style. i've never understood why stock rims have to look so dumb...only a few cars have cool rims stock...like the ion rl
give it racing rims, different head/tail lights, spoiler, evo body kit. just something for (non car) people to go, "damn! i want THAT!"

[amyers]

The non-redline VUE will have the 3.5 L in it. There is a performance difference as only the Redline will use the 3.6

[Dante]

The non-redline VUE will have the 3.5 L in it. There is a performance difference as only the Redline will use the 3.6

You sure about that? Please quote a source.

Without a limited slip diff, 300 HP on a FWD is a monster to handle without some VERY wide tires with a LOT of grip. Heck, even my RL with only 250HP and 245mm tires likes to walk sideways and jerk the steering wheel around. 50 more HP on a smaller vehicle would do you no real favors. You have to get that power to the ground in a controlled manner. :dizzy:

[junie]

The non-redline VUE will have the 3.5 L in it. There is a performance difference as only the Redline will use the 3.6

This is not breaking news.....the '08 Vue Red Line will have the 3.6L @ 250 HP and 243 torque LY7 engine. The same engine and ratings will be in the Vue XR. AWD and FWD drivetrains. The 3.5 L @ 215 HP is in the XE. All with 2.77 axle ratio.


Start of model year production begins 4/30.

[Pete93SL1M]

Leave the motor alone and give RL a standard locking diff and lower gears. Even a small increase like a 3.05 can increase acceleration without killing fuel economy too much.
An off-the-shelf FI kit would be nice too, but I don't recall ever seeing one for the CTS (turbo or supercharging). Even a small twin-screw s/c would produce a large gain across the board. In FWD tho, it'd need something to keep the torque-steer to a minimum. Even with the current 3.5 the VUE gets squirrelly under WOT.

[drejr842]

Yes, at least 300HP to be a Redline. You do the math...

2007 Vue V-6 FWD: 3544 lbs, 248 HP, 242 ft-lbs. Torque
2008 Vue V-6 FWD: 4076 lbs, 250 HP, 243 ft-lbs. Torque

Same horse power and a 500 lb. curb weight increase !?

Looks like my 06 Redline Vue will run circles around an 08 model.

[peccles]

In my opinion, the point of having the Redline trim is more performance and not just cosmetic details. All Saturn Redline trims should have higher HP and possibly more torque than all other trims in the model line. So the VUE should at least get the 275HP version (ala Outlook) of the 3.6L V6 as should the Aura.

[BobbyP]

Yes, at least 300HP to be a Redline. You do the math...

2007 Vue V-6 FWD: 3544 lbs, 248 HP, 242 ft-lbs. Torque
2008 Vue V-6 FWD: 4076 lbs, 250 HP, 243 ft-lbs. Torque

Same horse power and a 500 lb. curb weight increase !?

Looks like my 06 Redline Vue will run circles around an 08 model.

2007 VUE V-6 FWD: 3544 lbs, 248 HP, 242 ft-lbs. Torque 14.29 lbs / hp

2008 VUE V-6 FWD: 4076 lbs, 250 HP, 243 ft-lbs. Torque 16.30 lbs / hp

2007 VUE I4 Auto: 3345 lbs, 144 HP, 152 ft-lbs. Torque 23.23 lbs / hp

2007 Aura 3.6 FWD: 3660 lbs, 252 HP, 251 ft-lbs. Torque 14.52 lbs / hp

2007 SKY 2.4L RWD: 2963 lbs, 177 HP, 166 ft-lbs. Torque 16.74 lbs / hp

2007 SKY 2.0L RWD: 3024 lbs, 260 HP, 260 ft-lbs. Torque 11.63 lbs / hp

2007 ION 2.2L FWD: 2805 lbs, 145 HP, 150 ft-lbs. Torque 19.34 lbs / hp

The SKY RL must fly... :)

[Pete93SL1M]

Power to weight ratio is only one part of the equation. GEARING and torque curve play a significant role in actual performance. For instance, the fastest 0-60 time I saw on a (Honda V6) VUE was 7.0 0-60 on the AWD Redline by Car and Driver. Aura XR just posted a best of 5.9...

[BobbyP]

Power to weight ratio is only one part of the equation. GEARING and torque curve play a significant role in actual performance. For instance, the fastest 0-60 time I saw on a (Honda V6) VUE was 7.0 0-60 on the AWD Redline by Car and Driver. Aura XR just posted a best of 5.9...

Of course... Don't forget aerodynamics. Now that you're comparing the VUE to the Aura... :)

The VUE is about as aerodynamic as a brick, where the Aura has a distinct advantage. Even with the aerodynamic handicap the VUE L66 has the same EPA mileage as the Aura 3.6L.

IMO if the Aura had the L66 engine mated to the 6-sp auto transmission, it would out perform the 3.6L and get better mileage.

[Pete93SL1M]

True, but in 0-60 times aerodynamics are less of a factor than at 50-80MPH or gas mileage at speed. Cadillacs escalade is a giant heavy brick but the 6.2L V8 pushes it to 60 in the low 6 second range, for example.

[BobbyP]

True, but in 0-60 times aerodynamics are less of a factor than at 50-80MPH or gas mileage at speed. Cadillacs escalade is a giant heavy brick but the 6.2L V8 pushes it to 60 in the low 6 second range, for example.

I wonder how well the 07 Aura XR would do against a 07 VUE RL from 70 to 120mph...

:D

[K-1]

From the Brand Advocate Board Meeting, the 0-60 time for the '08 VUE RL will best the '07 models and fuel economy will be similar, despite the extra 500lbs.

C&G has an exposé on the whole shebang (link (http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16913))

[Audialize]

From the Brand Advocate Board Meeting, the 0-60 time for the '08 VUE RL will best the '07 models and fuel economy will be similar, despite the extra 500lbs.

C&G has an exposé on the whole shebang (link (http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16913))

Thats cause it's an AMerican 3.6V6 vs. a Japanese 3.5V6.

[BobbyP]

From the Brand Advocate Board Meeting, the 0-60 time for the '08 VUE RL will be slower than the '07 models and fuel economy will be lower, because of the extra 500lbs.

C&G has an exposé on the whole shebang (link (http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16913))

Fixed...

[K-1]

Fixed...Touché. :D Yet, my statement was based on fact, straight from the horse's mouth. Yours, however, was opinion and speculation.

[lordkosc]

Ok so will fuel economy be better or worse than the 07's ? :xeye:

[K-1]

Ok so will fuel economy be better or worse than the 07's ? :xeye:There's no comparison from '07 to '08, given the EPA changeover, but I suspect 1mpg in either direction would qualify as "similar". In driving both over the same course, under the same environmental conditions, and in exactly the same manner, I doubt you'll see an appreciable difference.

[lordkosc]

thanks for the quick reply, mr honda toaster man :p

[K-1]

thanks for the quick reply, mr honda toaster man :pI still need to add some Poptarts as passengers... :D

[BobbyP]

Touché. :D Yet, my statement was based on fact, straight from the horse's mouth. Yours, however, was opinion and speculation.

The C&G's article was speculative also... We should have some concrete numbers soon since they seem to be flat bedding into dealers everywhere... :)

Honda toaster ? Nickname or profession...

[K-1]

The C&G's article was speculative also... We should have some concrete numbers soon since they seem to be flat bedding into dealers everywhere... :)It wasn't speculation. Like I said, straight from horse's mouth.

Honda toaster ? Nickname or profession...That was just a reference to my avatar, which pokes fun at people who mod appliances (i.e. Hondas). Real profession is taxes, specifically the software development of, hence my username.

[BobbyP]

It wasn't speculation. Like I said, straight from horse's mouth.

That was just a reference to my avatar, which pokes fun at people who mod appliances (i.e. Hondas). Real profession is taxes, specifically the software development of, hence my username.

I was a big fan of Amiga Toasters. One hell of a computer. If Commodore could have sold/marketed it, we wouldn't have MS Windows today.

[SaturnPlanet]

K-1, I've always thought your avatar was the best on SF! Its creative.

[06VRL]

I think it is quite possible the numbers will be about the same or slightly better, the engine has newer technology and the tranny is a 6-speed, in regards to the transmission, it will have a better chance of keeping the engine in it's powerband where it also happens to be it's most efficient.

Since there are no definitive facts available at this time, this is purely my opinion!

Although having 300hp sure would be a hoot :yes:

[06VRL]

Just a question, now that the Vue will be all GM powertrain and computer, a conservative chip reprogram could net 15 to 20hp and probably a little better mileage, a conservative hp rating for intake, say 5hp, and also a conservative hp rating for exhaust, say 5hp, your now looking at 275 to 280hp, those numbers are enough to make a difference without costing an "arm and a leg", are there manufacturers out there that are or will be doing these things for the NEW VUE?

It now has some of the things others wanted, rear disc brakes, an improved interior with seats that appear to have more bolstering, a drivetrain from 1 manufacturer so the chip can be tweaked, a drivetrain that has a little room to handle more power, I just hope they lose those Bridgestone Turanza's!