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Bullet
05-21-2006, 01:09 AM
Most owner's manuals say it isn't necessary. Yeah, right. That's why transmission shops are making a fortune replacing burned out automatic transmissions.

For optimum protection, change the fluid and filter every 30,000 miles (unless you have a new vehicle that is filled with Dexron III ATF which is supposed to be good for 100,000 miles).

Why Atf Wears Out
An automatic transmission creates a lot of internal heat through friction: the friction of the fluid churning inside the torque converter, friction created when the clutch plates engage, and the normal friction created by gears and bearings carrying their loads.

It doesn't take long for the automatic transmission fluid (ATF) to heat up once the vehicle is in motion. Normal driving will raise fluid temperatures to 175 degrees F., which is the usual temperature range at which most fluids are designed to operate. If fluid temperatures can be held to 175 degrees F., ATF will last almost indefinitely -- say up to 100,000 miles. But if the fluid temperature goes much higher, the life of the fluid begins to plummet. The problem is even normal driving can push fluid temperatures well beyond safe limits. And once that happens, the trouble begins.

At elevated operating temperatures, ATF oxidizes, turns brown and takes on a smell like burnt toast. As heat destroys the fluid's lubricating qualities and friction characteristics, varnish begins to form on internal parts (such as the valve body) which interferes with the operation of the transmission. If the temperature gets above 250 degrees F., rubber seals begin to harden, which leads to leaks and pressure losses. At higher temperatures the transmission begins to slip, which only aggravates overheating even more. Eventually the clutches burn out and the transmission calls it quits. The only way to repair the damage now is with an overhaul -- a job which can easily run upwards of $1500 on a late model front-wheel drive car or minivan.

As a rule of thumb, every 20 degree increase in operating temperature above 175 degrees F. cuts the life of the fluid in half!

At 195 degrees F., for instance, fluid life is reduced to 50,000 miles. At 220 degrees, which is commonly encountered in many transmissions, the fluid is only good for about 25,000 miles. At 240 degrees F., the fluid won't go much over 10,000 miles. Add another 20 degrees, and life expectancy drops to 5,000 miles. Go to 295 or 300 degrees F., and 1,000 to 1,500 miles is about all you'll get before the transmission burns up.

If you think this is propaganda put forth by the suppliers of ATF to sell more fluid, think again. According to the Automatic Transmission Rebuilders Association, 90% of ALL transmission failures are caused by overheating. And most of these can be blamed on worn out fluid that should have been replaced.

On most vehicles, the automatic transmission fluid is cooled by a small heat exchanger inside the bottom or end tank of the radiator. Hot ATF from the transmission circulates through a short loop of pipe and is thus "cooled." Cooling is a relative term here, however, because the radiator itself may be running at anywhere from 180 to 220 degrees F.!

Tests have shown that the typical original equipment oil cooler is marginal at best. ATF that enters the radiator cooler at 300 degrees F. leaves at 240 to 270 degrees F., which is only a 10 to 20% drop in temperature, and is nowhere good enough for extended fluid life.

Any number of things can push ATF temperatures beyond the system's ability to maintain safe limits: towing a trailer, mountain driving, driving at sustained high speeds during hot weather, stop-and-go driving in city traffic, "rocking" an automatic transmission from drive to reverse to free a tire from mud or snow, etc. Problems in the cooling system itself such as a low coolant level, a defective cooling fan, fan clutch, thermostat or water pump, an obstructed radiator, etc., will also diminish ATF cooling efficiency. In some cases, transmission overheating can even lead to engine coolant overheating! That's why there's a good demand for auxiliary add-on transmission coolers.

Auxiliary Cooling
An auxiliary transmission fluid cooler is easy to install and can substantially lower fluid operating temperatures. The plate/fin type cooler is somewhat more efficient than the tube and fin design, but either can lower fluid temperatures anywhere from 80 to 140 degrees when installed in series with the stock unit. Typical cooling efficiencies run in the 35 to 50% range.

Atf Fluid Types
What kind of automatic transmission fluid should you use in your transmission? The type specified in your owner's manual or printed on the transmission dipstick.

For older Ford automatics and certain imports, Type "F" is usually required. Most Fords since the 1980s require "Mercon" fluid, which is Ford's equivalent of Dexron II.

For General Motors, Chrysler and other imports, Dexron II is usually specified.

NOTE: Some newer vehicles with electronically-controlled transmissions require Dexron IIe or Dexron III fluid. GM says its new long-life Dexron III fluid can be substituted for Dexron II in older vehicle applications.

CAUTION: Using the wrong type of fluid can affect the way the transmission shifts and feels. Using Type F fluid in an application that calls for Dexron II may make the transmission shift too harshly. Using Dexron II in a transmission that requires Type F may allow the transmission to slip under heavy load, which can accelerate clutch wear.

bobbyrae
05-21-2006, 05:38 AM
I would never wait 30k to change my transmission fluid! I bought the SL2 in December and decided to do a complete flush just in case. Total cost: < $35.00

First I added some LubeGard transmission flush and, following the directions, let it run for about 10 minutes with the wheels elevated and cycling through the gears.

Then I drained it and refilled the 5 quarts that came out with new fluid. Then I ran it in gear for 10 minutes, then drained and refilled again, this time replacing the filter.

So you are wondering why I would do this drain and refill twice like this? Because the torque converter holds about 2.5 quarts and the only way to get it out is to change, operate and mix, change, operate and mix, until you get to over 90% replacement. I then drained and replaced one last time. If you understand your basics from chemistry and do the math, you will realize that I achieved over 90% new fluid in the transmission, which is equivalent to using a flush machine. Yes, it did take 15 quarts when I was dealing with 8 quart system, but this is what flush machine would consume anyway.

Then I added LubeGard (http://www.lubegard.com/automotive/trans_atf.html) transmission additive, which is designed for use with Dexron and is supposed to radically reduce the breakdown of the fluid.

While the transmission worked pretty well before, I think it even smoother now and that slight whining noise at low speeds is starting to go away.

Ritz
05-21-2006, 08:50 AM
Whenever I own a car with an auto (not very often), I change the transmission fluid and filter every 30k miles (every 4th oil change for me) and only use synthetic replacement fluid. These days, transmissions are becoming a lot more complex and are horrendously expensive if they need replacement. Changing the fluid regularly is your best defense agains a transmission's early demise.

The attached link is meant for people with Chrysler vehicles, but it is a good tutorial on the basics of transmission fluid and one of the reasons I'd never ever ever leave Dexron fluid unchanged in any vehicle for any significant lenght of time/mileage. Now that I've got a Honda transmission, I'll have to investigate what's best in that environment. Last I checked, Honda had their own secret recipe.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/fluids.html

Mr Joe Handyman
05-21-2006, 10:10 PM
If I ever get a Gm car with a trans that lasts longer than 30K I might try the 100K no service thing. but I'm at 56K on my Vue and it's already been changed 3 times because of service on the trans. I did laugh a lot when I read that my wife's VTi never needs service.

spencerb
05-22-2006, 12:48 PM
Most owner's manuals say it isn't necessary. Yeah, right. That's why transmission shops are making a fortune replacing burned out automatic transmissions.Show us an example of a transmission failure due to NOT changing the fluid, even though it was not recommended yet by the manufacturer. In other words, prove that transmissions fail because people stick to the service schedule in the manual.

SylenThunder
05-22-2006, 06:37 PM
I had a '78 Chevy 1500 that had a little over 150K when I bought it. Trans shifted slow, and slipped gears occationally. Changed fluid and filter, then it was fine. To the best of my knowledge it had never been serviced before that.

The Critic
05-24-2006, 11:36 PM
Your article was probably written at least 10 years ago...how much of what it says actually applies ???

Dexron-IIIH or Dexron-VI type fluids are easily good for 100K under most conditions provided that no towing is done. The temps listed in the article are also off by at least 20-30 degrees for most fluids today, as well.

ATF turning brown and emitting a burned odor equals an unserviceable fluid??? I can show you Acura TLs with < 20,000 miles showing such behavior...I've seen the fluid run out to 60,000 miles, and a fluid analysis was performed, showing the fluid to still be serviceable. Color and odor are no longer good indicators of the fluid's condition with the newer fluids that are capable of handling much longer service intervals.

For most cars and trucks, dropping the pan, changing the filter, and filling with fresh Dexron-IIIH or Dexron-VI every 50,000 miles is a good practice of preventive maintenance. No need to flush the transmission. The worst thing you could possibly do is flush the transmission and not change the filter. As long as you change out 50-60% of the fluid via a pan drop, it is more than adequate to restore the shifting properties.

I do not however, discourage more aggressive preventive maintenance practices, provided that they are done correctly and not overly done. I don't disagree that changing the transmission fluid and filter at 30,000 mile intervals is complete overkill, as it can actually be beneficial for those who tow, but for the rest of us, it is not needed. But 30,000 miles is the shortest service interval that I would possibly use.

Just my thoughts.

The Critic
05-24-2006, 11:39 PM
Show us an example of a transmission failure due to NOT changing the fluid, even though it was not recommended yet by the manufacturer. In other words, prove that transmissions fail because people stick to the service schedule in the manual.
Agreed. Nearly all of the transmission failure you see today are caused not by fluid problems, but by design flaws and/or poor build quality.

More frequent fluid changes may help extend the life of the transmission, but certainly will not compensate for design flaws or poor quality parts.

Just ask the Honda 5-spd Automatic users from < MY2003 and the Chrysler A604 Ultrajunk units...;)