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TURFMAN
04-19-2001, 03:08 PM
Just trying to get a census. It has been spoken about before but I figured I'd see what's actually going on as far as people's saturns on this board. Please just list your information like this:

1997 SC2 45k 0 quarts/3k miles


Thanks! Let's see what we have......

chris00sw2
04-19-2001, 03:11 PM
2000 SW2, 45K miles, last time I checked it was 3/4 quart, 2500 miles. Dead dino juice. Just noticed the consumption, so I'll be watching it like a hawk.

-=Chris

Jeff
04-19-2001, 03:21 PM
'92 SC (DOHC) 120k, 2 quarts/3k miles. It's been like this since about 50k, no change since then.

TARDIS
04-19-2001, 03:36 PM
2000 SL2 w/ approx. 18k. No oil consumption noticed yet. I use non-synthetic.

Iceman
04-19-2001, 03:54 PM
96 SL2, 95000 1qt/3000...96SL2, 52000 .5qt/3000....00 LW300, 22000 no visible consumption. SL2 dino oil/LW300 Mobil 1.

Sam96SL2
04-19-2001, 03:58 PM
96SL2 100000 miles 1qt/3000 miles a little more..depends on if i rev to the redline alot

CM94SL1
04-19-2001, 03:59 PM
I have 97K. Before my most recent Oil change where I assume they put in TTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSS MUCH oil. When I just had it changed last week, there was THIS MUCH oil in there. Barely enough to whet the dip stick. Of course, I went almost 6,000 miles between changes, I would guess that it would average out to 1.5QT/3000 miles but I never see any puffs of grey/blue smoke come out of the tail, no leaks. Maybe some day Saturn Corp will be able to tell me where all the oil has gone? Before y'all start with the lectures about oil changes every 3,000 miles, I will admit that it was something that I back burnered way too long. I will be more punctual with my oil changes. <img src="http://64.77.2.166/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/Images/Wilk.gif" border="0" align="middle">

kev99sl
04-19-2001, 04:31 PM
99 SL, 92k 1.5 - 2 qts./3k miles, Mobil 1 since 9k. Will replace the valve seals in June.

joeybagodonuts
04-19-2001, 04:40 PM
so far more than half allready and thats just our little corner of the saturn world, this should be interesting.... good topic.

JDB99SL
04-19-2001, 04:50 PM
99SL, 65,000 miles, 1 quart per 5K, Mobil 1.
1990, 270,000 miles, no usage per 5K, whatever was on sale. (Oops, this was a Mazda, silly me!)

This Saturn uses more oil and has had more problems than any car I have ever owned, and has had better care.

Two words: Poor quality.

patrick 96sl2
04-19-2001, 05:06 PM
96 SL2 with 75K. None.

Change oil religiously every 3K miles. Used to use dino oil, but I switched over to synthetic around 65K. Gas mileage increased slightly and the engine seems a bit quieter. Hopefully it wont start to burn any oil, knock on wood (my head).

Mike99SC2
04-19-2001, 05:15 PM
92 SL 1qt/3000 mi---75,000 mi. 94 SC2 1.5 qt/3000 mi---80,000 mi. 96 SC2 0.5 qt/3000 mi---74,000mi. 99 SC2 0.00qt/3000mi---43,000 mi. still have this one. 01 L200--0.00qt/1400 mi.--too new to tell

Three Rings
04-19-2001, 05:40 PM
91 SL1 110,000 miles 1&1/2 qts/3000 miles
97 SL2 54,000 miles 2 qts/3000 miles
00 LS1 16,000 miles no noticable consumption/3000 miles
01 SC2 500 miles waaay too soon to tell :^)
Dino oil in all

L100
04-19-2001, 05:54 PM
2001 L100 15 k miles -- no oil consumption

Richard
04-19-2001, 06:32 PM
2001 SL1 12k 0 quarts/3k miles

So far Saturn has done all the oil changes (car care plan) and I believe they use Penzoil.

VTHokie00SL2
04-19-2001, 06:44 PM
1997 SL2 - 92,000 miles:

Not sure how much I might be consuming, but it's still minimal. I've been going roughly 4000 miles between changes lately, and the oil level isn't much lower after 4k.

Saturnmeister
04-19-2001, 07:51 PM
2000 LW2 not a drop/3000 miles (change interval)...1992 SC, 1998 SC2 did use some, not alot...in the words of Ronnie Reagan - "Well, well, I..don't remember"

bigbird
04-19-2001, 07:52 PM
94 SL1 50k km (30k miles) zero consumption/ 3k km on dino oil
00 SW2 20k km (13k miles) zero consumption/ 5km on synthetic

Patrick_97SC2
04-19-2001, 09:30 PM
Well the way I see it is that there is still a problem with saturns burning more than the usual amount of oil. Granted not all saturns do but there are still a fair number out there that make you go hmmmmm. I personally haven't had the misfortune of having an oil burner but I've heard countless stories. I also got to see at least 10 SOHC motors at Joey's place that went buh bye because it burned to much.

Every manufacturer has some kind of problem within its line of cars. Saturn just happens to have a problem with oil and with transmissions. Just remember that are cars aren't the perfect car. Joey may be biased on his view of saturn because all the one's he see's are in bad shape. However, I trust his knowledge and would consider what he has to say before I say its bs. Just my $.02

-Patrick

Yankeez01L30094SL2
04-19-2001, 09:39 PM
94 SL2 103k--- 3/4 quart between 3k oil changes always done at the dealer since I bought the car with 58k

edwilson13185
04-19-2001, 10:56 PM
There are many things I don't miss about my Saturn. Oil consumption, comparably rough shifting, noise levels, and less power are among the few. My Intrepid has 80,000 miles on it, and it burns not so much as a drop. If the L-series proves to be a non-oil burning machine, I will consider one. Otherwise, I will stick with Dodge.

SATURNFAN13185

PS Joey, keep posting. Your advice has been helpful to me in the past. And if there's only one person on this entire board that appreciates and heads a piece of advice that you give, it's worth it. Don't let people phase you, it could possibly be jealousy on their part. "Be good" lol

Heartbeat - '95 SL2
04-20-2001, 03:49 AM
1995 SL2 94k 3 qts/3k miles.

Castrol GTX 5W/30

Has burned oil since new (about 1 qt./3k miles) but has gotten worse over time.

Religously changed every 3k miles using Saturn oil filters. All oil changes done by Saturn while under warranty, using whatever oil they use. Then I used Chevron 5W/30 for a while, and switched to Castrol to see if it would help reduce the consumption. It hasn't.

Albeit, I haven't yet followed through on all recommendations made on the tech talk board (fixing a *very small* cam cover leak and replacing the PCV valve rather than just cleaning it, then doing an oil consumption test before concluding it's an internal valve seal or ring problem).

Son93SL2
04-20-2001, 06:53 AM
93SL2 141700 miles 2 qt/3000 miles. Maxlife 5w30 (switching to plain old valvoline next oil change)

MS-01SL2/M
04-20-2001, 07:08 AM
Funny how a discussion on oil consumption can draw such heated remarks... but I digress...

Just got my new 01 sl2 last night... a beauty... 26 kliks on it so I doubt this will help...
However, my sister has a 96 sw2 with 180,000+ kliks and it takes about a quart of dino every 3000k.
She does 90% highway... might have an impact... less engine wear since the revolutions are kept constant for longer periods of time?!

M.

Spork
04-20-2001, 08:50 AM
2000 LS, 13000 miles, no noticable oil loss. Mother in law's 96 SL 85000 miles Maybe .5 quart or less per 3000.

traveler
04-20-2001, 08:58 AM
Well, I am a fanatical believer in Mobil One oil and have broken in and used it in all of my last 5 new cars, most of which had over 200,000 miles on them when sold. All met new car factory specs for tolerances in the engine at that time. I now have a 2000 LS-2 with over 14,600 miles on it. Dropped the factory when it came off the truck and installed Mobil One (as I have done with all previous new cars I have owned) and never looked back. I go an average of 4-7000 miles per oil change as I travel for a living. Not a drop of oil down on the dipstick ever during this period. I had a 93 SL-2 which received similar care. It had 49,000 miles on it when sold and also burned absolutely not one drop of oil during it's oil change period. My advice has always been "Dump the Dino". LOL

patrick 96sl2
04-20-2001, 09:41 AM
Joey, interesting comparison between American cars and Japanese cars in reference to oil burning.

"if their American made, usually start burning at about 100-120k, Japanese cars have a far superior record with cars under normal circumstance not burning until well over 150k."

I think there is something to this. I have a 82 Datsun pickup with a diesel engine with 230,000 miles and it doesn't burn a drop and traditionally diesels are known to be oil burners. I take seven quarts out and put seven quarts in at every oil change.

Patrick

Socrates
04-20-2001, 10:33 AM
1995 SL2 97.5K ~1.25 quarts/3k miles

cityhawk
04-20-2001, 11:09 AM
1993 SW2 77.5Kk 0 quarts/3k miles
2001 LW300 7.5K 0 quarts/3k miles

Tony
04-20-2001, 11:17 AM
I check oil on a regular basis, usually weekly when I wash my car.
2000 LS2 stays right there no consumption with 11,000 miles.
My daughter drives a 96 SL1 94,000 + miles no consumption yet.

MrSector9
04-20-2001, 05:17 PM
1992 SL usually 1-2 quarts per 5000km.350,000 km on the clock and still runs fine.Only problems had were a water pump and a trans due to operator error (mother spinning on ice and hit a pacth of pave putting gears through the side)

BJ

100KSW2
04-20-2001, 06:30 PM
Good thread! A few months ago I decided to keep careful records of how much oil I actually add. I just polished off a quart of Mobil-1 yesterday that I opened 2300 miles ago. I usually check my oil weekly and usage varies. I have the impression that highway driving uses more oil, city driving almost none. YMMV. I swear that I can tell when I am about 1/4 quart low by the sound of the engine changing. (I haven't tested this with listening devices or anything, though. I leave that as an exercise for the more scientific oriented members (who may also have too much free time ;).

I have used synthetic since the 3K oil change. Valvoline up to 30K miles and Mobil-1 since then. I currently have 99,540 miles since 5/5/1993 when I picked up the car new.

joeybagodonuts
04-20-2001, 06:55 PM
patrick, i saw so any japanese engines go 250k without bruning oil and no visible wear on cams and stuff it amazes me that we cant even copy one of their engines good, hell,strip a honda, copy their engine and rebadge it, who cares, the datsun z motor (original 69 and 1 /2 to 83 models) engine was a stolen benz design and the car itself was designed by another german, albert grolsch who didnt get credit to some 20 odd years later after winning a lawsuit proving the design was his. lots of history behind those cars but not on this thread, this is a good thread, i find it amazing that damn near everyone over 50k is burning oil, high % anyway.
jim, youve always been level headed so i know i can ask and get a right answer, dont you find that buying a quart of mobil one every couple a weeks add to your yearly expenses? whats that, 5-6 bucks a bottle times how many weeks a year? ewgads, i plow on 5-7000 miles A MONTH! (dino oil in the dodge, 10-40, its extreme heat down here and im up to 70k now.)
as a tech i still found that switching my customers over to higher weight oils did cut down considerable amounts of oil consumption in most cars, my truck is up there and when its at 100k ill go to 20-50, i lose less than 1/2 a quart between changes, sadly i go to like 4k between changes on the truck and im hauling a 1100lb trailer and 2500lb saturn behind me doing 85 loaded in .90 heat with the air and running lights on working the #### outta her.
our last volvo 740 had 300k and burned not one drop between 3k changes, the new volvo gets regular 3k changes using dino 10-30, again, i could readily use and its recomended that 5-30 be used,but i prefer to consider florida a "extreme condition" i milked a lot of miles out of a lot of engines and while i treat my cars good i rag em at over 100 every open stretch i get.
the caddys mentioned were ineteresting also, having owned several, i liked the design on my 2000 seville, hell, i liked my boat 99 deville also, but the sts and eldos are pretty nice looking cars, optioned with a nice set of factory alloys, triple black eldo, cmon thats class!
about the northstar being one of the best, 13 northstars only one lemon, all ragged beyond belief (these were short term leases, 3-6 months at a pop, he-he)i felt they were good overall, lots of power and very smooth but.... and there is a but, i wouldnt want to own one (own, not lease) over 75k and off warranty, the prices would give a guy a heart attack if his young wife hasnt by now (he-he ). if our volvo gives us problems before the 75k warranty is up i'd dump that too,very complex car with possible high repair bills.
keep the thread alive!

joeybagodonuts
04-20-2001, 06:59 PM
hey bj will you post your v.i.n. or email me privatley with it? im conducting my own poll on the few real high mileage saturns i'm hearing about, thanks!

MrSector9
04-21-2001, 07:44 AM
Well I had my car in the garage at a friends and i noticed where my oil consumption has been coming from.A leaky valve cover "silicone" because the saturn dealership told me they never offered a gasket for the car even though it looks like there should be one.Good thing the place that changes the oil told me about the leak because it is on the back of the engine where you can't see very good.Hopefully it will be down now to less consumption even though i dont mind as long as the exhaust dont turn blue on me.

BJ

DHOOP
04-21-2001, 09:34 AM
99 SC2....no consumption but only 25k miles. Previous 97 SL2 used 1/2 qt per 3k from when I bought it, at about 25k, to when I sold it @47k. That car was an ex-lease car so I don't know how it was treated. I didn't see 1/2 qt per 3k as any big deal...had it gone up to any degree, I'd start thinking about it.

ClapDaddy
04-21-2001, 03:16 PM
TURFMAN,

TURFMAN,

Yikes, I did not know there would be a test one day :)

I will post all that my family has owned:

93 SC1 &lt;30,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
94 SL2 &lt;25,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
94 SL2 &lt;55,000 miles 1/4 quart per 3,000 mile change interval.
95 SC2 &lt;30,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
95 SC2 &lt;40,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
96 SC2 &lt;65,000 miles 1 quart when interval was extended to around 6,000 mile interval.
96 SL2 &lt;25,000 miles 1/4 quart max. usage 3,000 mile change interval and this car was modified (synthetic).
96 SL2, &lt;45,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval (synthetic)
96 SL2, &lt;20,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
96 SL2, &lt;80,000 miles 1/2 quart max. usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
97 SC2, &lt;30,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval (synthetic).
97 SC2, &lt;22,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
*98 SL2, &lt;30,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval (synthetic)
*99 SL2, &lt;20,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
99 SC2, &lt;40,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval (synthetic).
*00 SL2, &lt;25,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
*00 LW1, &lt;15,000 miles minimal usage per 3,000 mile change interval.
*01 SL2, &lt;3,000 one oil change no usage.

* = currently own/have these cars.

Al

ClapDaddy
04-21-2001, 03:25 PM
TURFMAN,

On other cars that I have owned recently,

90 Camry DX 1/4 quart usage MAX. 3,750 mile change interval &lt;25,000 miles.
92 Camry LE 3/4 quart usage MAX (one time) 3,750 change interval &lt;25,000 miles.
00 Nissan Sentra SE approx 1/4 quart usage; last oil change; &lt;10,000 miles

What I have found over the years is that my 4 cylinder cars seem to use more oil than my 6 or 8 cylinder cars have. The worse was my former 74 Vega. It used 1 quart a week.

My 84 Voyager used 1 to 1 1/4 quarts between oil changes. It had approx 80,000 miles when I sold it.

Before I bought my first Toyota in 1990, I followed a 2,500 miles change interval and used regular oil. Since I use the 3 month/3,000 for my American Cars and 3 month/3,750 for my foreign cars.

Al

Al

100KSW2
04-21-2001, 05:38 PM
<blockquote><hr><font size="1">Original Post:</font><!--1-->
jim, youve always been level headed so i know i can ask and get a right answer, dont you find that buying a quart of mobil one every couple a weeks add to your yearly expenses? whats that, 5-6 bucks a bottle times how many weeks a year?
<hr></blockquote>

Hi Joey

I guess everything is relative (my last car, a Dodge ate front brake pads every 5K and the Dodge Boys wanted $250+ per brake job). Maybe I made a typo or something but I meant to write that I just finished off one quart of Mobil-1 after 2300 miles. I buy my Mobil-1 by the case from BJs Wholesale Club, $22.99 for six quarts, or $3.83 per quart. It is not a big expense since I only drove 6500 miles last year. In fact as recently as 1999 the ONLY thing I spent money on the whole year was oil, no other service was required. (I put 60K on the car the first 3 years, about 70% highway miles.) I don't consider this a big deal at just under 100K miles on a 1993 Saturn (my car was made just around the time the early oil burning problems were supposed to be "fixed"). Do I think it is good that a lot of Saturns use oil (and lots use much more than mine in many cases)? Absolutely not! You are absolutely right to say it should have been fixed sooner.

I think our survey here is pretty unscientific (no accounting for how the cars were driven or maintained, for example), but I for one would like to find out how many oil burners are reported among the 1999 and newer cars. The 1.9L engine was extensively redesigned at that time, as most folks know.

Jim
P. S. "triple black eldo"? Boy you can take the boy outa New Joisey but you can't take the Joisy out of the boy. <img src="http://64.77.2.166/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/Images/Happy.gif" border="0" align="middle"> That must be a rare combo as far south as you are! I'm going to get a used Caddy STS when the ones with the Northstar engine come down to my price range.

Saturnmeister
04-21-2001, 06:26 PM
Hey Joey- here's a question...since the oil consumption issue is supposed to be related to piston rings, are there aftermarket pistons/rings that will do away with the issue altogether (i.e., better than the OEM design) for those who are looking to build their own "Turn Key Terrors" or just rebuild for maximum life? What's the price differential for such parts if they exist?

joeybagodonuts
04-21-2001, 06:42 PM
richard, unless going high performance (i.e. expensive!) none that i know of. im sure some of the aftermarket rebuild kits are made by different manufacturers but i'd say you have a 50/50 chance there also of building an oil burner or not.
whilst the high and mighty wont even let me touch upon a subject im very familar with and since you touched the tkt.s lets talk about that, those car have MY name on them as do the tkv's.
one of the best mechanics i ever had/saw in ten years was taco, most of you will remeber fond posts of him, when you work all blanking day then hang till 1 am working with one of your guys, building a motor, for himself using all saturn parts then only to find out a couple months later that even his is burning oil we knew back then we had a problem (what 2-3 years ago now?)so when i meet hard resistance and i have torn down these motors, i have witnessed it first hand, i have had heartaches over it, i dont think anyone has the right to tell us what we can discuss and just because you owned a few saturns doesnt mean you know jack about internals.
i think this thread speaks for itself, i also think we can discuss good and bad, if we happen to be on bad all week so be it! sorry, didnt mean to ramble, my pantys are in a uproar over the constant beating from supposedly more mature sources lately.

haypops
04-21-2001, 08:08 PM
94 SL2 - 75K 2-3 quats/3k miles

Jeremy
04-22-2001, 11:49 PM
1997 SL SOHC 77k miles! doesn't drink a drop.

Jeremy
04-22-2001, 11:54 PM
Oh yeah, 89 Nissan Sentra Uses approx the whole oil reserve in about 3 days. hehehe 2 blown Pistons

Beaker
04-23-2001, 12:39 AM
I had huge issues with my car for a few months. I got sick of counting how much oil it went through, but i basically added a quart every gas fill up. I didn't do anythign about it until I failed my emissions with something like 26.5 for the Hydrocarbons (may be higher than reality deams, can't remember real #, just know it blew my mind) when the limit is 1.2. So i had to do something at that point, bought a used head on Ebay, had the valves all redone, and had it ported and polished since I was in there anyway. Not burning anything now, and my hydro carbons came up at like a .3. So I'm estatic, but everytime I beat my car and smell something funny I get scared I blew my valve seals again.

Beaker

Pete93SL1M
04-23-2001, 12:44 AM
1993 SL1 about 1 Quart / 3000 miles (110K on the odo)
1996 SL2 less than .5 Quarts / 5000 miles (58K)

Spork
04-23-2001, 08:55 AM
I don't know about on a Saturn, but my '94 Voyager with 128,000 was burning a quart per 1000. I went to 20w50 oil which lowered it a bit. Tried a ring loosener (not Marvel, but similar). That seemed to do the trick. Went back to a l0w30 and consumption is more like a quart per 3000.

kev99sl
04-23-2001, 01:51 PM
Posted this in the other thread, but what the heck. I thought it was interesting/informative:

http://www.synthashield.net/vault/consumpt.html

joeybagodonuts
04-24-2001, 06:31 PM
this is an unbelievable amount of board members! sheesh, now more than ever im enlightened to the sheer amount of oil you guys are going through. anyone else? keep em coming.

Mario
04-24-2001, 08:58 PM
96 SL1, 65kmiles, no mesureable oil burning.

Oil change every 2kmiles (lot of stop and go driving) and a PCV valve each year. It seems to gunk up very fast in my case. Before the winter, I add a can of rislone 500miles before the oil change to clean a bit of gunk. That thing cured the valve clapping at statup I had before...

joeybagodonuts
04-24-2001, 09:26 PM
hey mario, welcome aboard! glad i was up working so i could touch on the rislone subject.
rislone is excellent as a last ditch effort, ill explain why.
rislone is a deriative of a kerosene base, actually its closer to pure kerosene than anything, theres alot of members following this post who might try whats posted so i want to be clear on this, kerosens works wonders as a motor flush and as in marios case it worked fine, but kerosene washs the oil off the cylinder walls as your running it to let the flush work, its like doing 100 cold starts with no oil in the engine at once. possible damage will include scored cylinder walls, possible bearing damage, definite damage to valve seals, etc.
while marvel mystery oil is very thin it has an incredably high viscosity rating, i have personally left it in a car for over a week and drove it like any other time, do that with rislone or even to long in your driveway and you will LOCK UP YOUR MOTOR, no ####, it breaks the oil down that much.
if marvel does not work after 5-6 times and you want to try rislone follow insturctions carefully. word from the wise.

jacobs_94SL2
04-24-2001, 09:55 PM
I have a 1994 Saturn SL2 DOHC. I have been running Mobil 1 Synth since I bought one year ago with 74k miles. It now has 100k miles and in using approx 1 quart per 1000 miles. I am going to replace valve seals very soon.

Bill
04-25-2001, 09:02 AM
'96 SW2 68,000 miles Zero oil consumption
'97 SL2 50,000 miles Zero oil consumption
'99 SL2 28,000 miles Zero oil consumption

GO SATURN!!!!

P.S. Several friends with Hondas and Toyotas are buring significant amounts of oil!!

hugh
04-25-2001, 02:36 PM
When I traded 1993 SL2 in on LS2 in 1999,it had approx 110K on clock.Most of driving was highway and oil changed every 3000 without fail.No oil added between changes until about 75K mark.Less than 1/5 quart at first but ended up at little less than 1/2 quart at time of trade in.

saturn93sl2
04-25-2001, 03:13 PM
My 93 SL2 Saturn uses 1Quart/600miles. There is no oil leak anywhere, and oil is not burning as the exahaust check revealed nothing of that sort. Where is the oil going?

Rod
04-25-2001, 09:51 PM
1994 SL2 w/ 66k burning 1 1/3 quarts per 1000 miles. Currently in the middle of oil consumption testing. Engine is under warranty so I am glad this happened now and not later.

SL02Sport
02-12-2004, 03:01 PM
'02 SL, 5-speed, 29,000 miles (admittedly, too soon to know if I'll have a problem or not.) Oil & filter changes every 3,000 miles (since new) using Pennzoil or Chevron dino 5W-30. 4 ozs. of M-M-O go in every tankful, but none in the crankcase. Most recent oil change was done after 4,400 miles. NO noticable consumption.

ujm4ever
02-12-2004, 08:37 PM
2002 Vue 2.2L: Last year we put 15,500 miles on a single fill of synthetic 0W30 extended drain oil with 4 filter swaps. No oil was added and the level only dropped about 1/8 of an inch. 28k miles now total on the Vue

2001 L200 2.2L: Last year, 13000 miles 3 filter swaps very little drop on the dip stick. Same 0W30 sythetic. 36k miles were on the L200 when traded

04 Ion2 2.2L: 2k miles on factory fill , no drop. 2500 miles on 0W30 synthetic, No drop.

My sons 93 SL2 with 120K miles uses about 1 qt every 5K miles with the synthetic, a little more consumption on dino oil. The car was bought used so no history when new.

Saturn seems to have gotten it right with the Ecotec motor.

GB1
02-13-2004, 12:25 PM
I recently bought an L300 to replace my 98 SC2 (which had 134k miles). The SC2 was bad on oil - it used approx 1 qt/800 miles, which is 3.75 qt per 3k miles.

Funny thing is, it never seemed to smoke, and it wasn't leaking anything, and passed the CA emissions tests fine. So it was more of a pain in the neck to have to check it every time I gassed up than anything.

Btw, my L300 doesn't use a drop.

Kender
02-14-2004, 07:36 PM
1994 SC2 with 225,000 miles burns 1 quart/1000 miles

had the rings and valve stems replaced at 180,000 miles



2004 ION3QC with 12,000 miles... no oil consumption

Change the oil every 3000 on both cars

Billy816
02-14-2004, 11:44 PM
95 SL2: burned 1/2 qt./3000 new, 1 qt. /3000 @ 90,000 trade.
97 SL2: burned -0- new, 2 qt./ 3000 @ 147,000, lots more if it's driven @ interstate speeds and getting worse. Anybody have as much problem with getting the oil filler cap off of the SL2 engines as me? Seems like they swell up (really!)
01 L200: never a drop @ 57,000 miles.
03 Ion QC3: not a drop @ 7000 miles.

David

zborgerd
02-15-2004, 02:54 AM
2003 ION. 11k miles. Burning no oil and using Mobile 1 synthetic since the second oil change at 6k.

THX712517
02-15-2004, 12:30 PM
2003 Saturn Ion 1, 10333 miles: No oil consumed between oil changes.

ENTP
03-04-2004, 05:29 PM
I have a '97 SL2 with 133k miles. It burns about 1 qt. of oil every 600 miles. I'm the original owner. Oil changes were done either by me or the dealer religously at 3k mile intervals. The oil consumption problem started at about 75k miles. Since the problem started I continued doing the oil changes as well as checking the oil at every other fill up.

I was about to trade it in when I found this site and the procedure for the mmo piston soak. I did it this past weekend and now I'm waiting for the results.

Some soak observations:

The mmo seemed to be penetrating past the pistons since the level in the spark plug wells dropped over time. I put about 3 oz. into each well initially and after about 8 hours put about 4 oz. more into each. After 24 hours of soaking I turned the engine over with the spark plugs out and noticed there was still some mmo in the cylinders but most of the 28 ozs. I put in appeared to have seeped down into the crank case.

I put the plugs back in and then ran the car (idled mostly) for about 5 - 8 minutes before the smoking stopped (waiting to see if the fire trucks were going to show up). I changed the oil (replaced with mobile 1 10w30) and filter and took it out for a ride. I got a few blocks from the house and it started smoking again. I got it out on a country road and ran it for about 10 miles at about 50mph until it stopped smoking again.

I've had a few minor/routine problems with the car but overall it has been very reliable. It still feels firm and looks great. I'd prefer to keep it but with such a small margin of error with this oil consumtion problem I think it may be time to trade it in. I really hope the mmo soak works.