Edmunds Full Test 08 Vue XR

[Audialize]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=120836?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2 .*

Disregard, link and discussion already posted in other Thread.

[junie]

Another positive review...funny how the normally critical auto writers seem to think the '08 Vue is more good than not. In fact very good. Styling, quality of material, design, engine/trany performance, etc and even compared to its predecessor. The critics here are slowly finding themselves in a non professional wannabe auto critics pool of cast-a-ways. Good looking in white!

[Ritz]

Another positive review...funny how the normally critical auto writers seem to think the '08 Vue is more good than not. In fact very good. Styling, quality of material, design, engine/trany performance, etc and even compared to its predecessor. The critics here are slowly finding themselves in a non professional wannabe auto critics pool of cast-a-ways. Good looking in white!

You won't find too many critical articles by Edmunds. For goodness sake, look at what they said about the 3.4L Equinox:

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/equinox/2007/review.html

I think these guys would find some good in a Yugo being pulled by a team of Oxen if you throw enough advertising their way...

Best,

[K-1]

You won't find too many critical articles by Edmunds. For goodness sake, look at what they said about the 3.4L Equinox:

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/equinox/2007/review.html

I think these guys would find some good in a Yugo being pulled by a team of Oxen if you throw enough advertising their way...

Best,You just can't admit that the 3.4L might not really be as bad as people say, can you? It's not the horror of horrors people make it out to be.

[junie]

Wouldn't say a 7.4 rating by Edmunds is generous on the Equinox. The actual consumer reviews were higher. But it is typical that when a positive review is written, about anything, on a product that some have a preconceived negative notion about it is discounted. This was a good positive review on the '08 Vue and that is how it should be accepted in spite of any biases.

[Ritz]

You just can't admit that the 3.4L might not really be as bad as people say, can you? It's not the horror of horrors people make it out to be.

Compare what Edmunds says about the 'nox compared to how owners rank it:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/reliability/would-you-buy-that-car-again-406/owner-satisfaction/small-suvs/index.htm

Edmunds does NOT write negative reviews. So crowing about a fawning review there is like crowing about how blue the sky is or how green the grass is.

Since the only major difference between that vehicle and the VUE is the Honda drivetrain (V6 only) and polymer panels, to what would you attribute the vast difference in owner ratings?

Best,

[mellissam]

.......
Edmunds does NOT write negative reviews. So crowing about a fawning review there is like crowing about how blue the sky is or how green the grass is....

Well, the editors gave the 2007 VUE a 6.5, whereas the owners gave it a 8.9.....
http://www.edmunds.com/saturn/vue/2007/consumerreview.6.html

[junie]

It is so more confident looking, styled and up to date than its predecessor. Inside and out.

[Ken Baker]

I like the looks as well. I'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh. I assume the interior will be very similar to the Outlook's.:yes:

[MarvC]

The interior is going to be of better quality than the outlook. Soft touch dash for one not the hard plastic of the outlook.
It looks like a winner!!!:yes: :yes: :yes:

[K-1]

Compare what Edmunds says about the 'nox compared to how owners rank it:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/reliability/would-you-buy-that-car-again-406/owner-satisfaction/small-suvs/index.htm

Edmunds does NOT write negative reviews. So crowing about a fawning review there is like crowing about how blue the sky is or how green the grass is.

Since the only major difference between that vehicle and the VUE is the Honda drivetrain (V6 only) and polymer panels, to what would you attribute the vast difference in owner ratings?

Best,Please also post the details of that survey. You know, the number of respondents, their actually complaints, why they would/not buy again, stuff like that. Oh wait - you can't, can you?

And you have to be kidding on the engine being the only major difference.

[junie]

Drove a XR FWD today. Nice. Solid. Surprising Power. Responsive. High Quality. Plenty of room. Great looks. All around a very impressive vehicle.

[Ritz]

Please also post the details of that survey. You know, the number of respondents, their actually complaints, why they would/not buy again, stuff like that. Oh wait - you can't, can you?

And you have to be kidding on the engine being the only major difference.

I posted a link to the survey. I don't claim powers of clairvoyance to gleem details of a survey that are not printed/posted. You're just choosing to be argumentative because the survey doesn't fit with your fairytale view of the world. *shrug*

The link is there for all to see. Believe what you want.

Best,

[BobbyP]

Drove a XR FWD today. Nice. Solid. Surprising Power. Responsive. High Quality. Plenty of room. Great looks. All around a very impressive vehicle.

Junie what is your vested interest wanting the 2008 VUE to be a success?

Your profile is suspiciously absent of any information, and you keep ranting and raving about how great this vehicle is.

[greyhound bus]

I have also been wondering why there are a couple people here who insist on shoving the 08' Vue down our throats. Why is it not acceptable to just not like the damn thing? I don't like the styling, I don't like the size, I don't like the price. I don't give a rip about all the features that were options that are now standard. Our 07' has no options except for the V6, and I would have gladly stripped a few standard features off if I could have gotten some money back. What is SO hard for some people to understand?



2007 Vue FWD V6- Storm Gray, GT velour seat covers, Trailer hitch, Saturn hitch cover, Cargo mat, Vent Visors, Rear air deflector, Splash guards, Custom Saturn front license plate, Chrome exhaust tip.

[junie]

"ranting and raving"..."shoving it down our throats"......don't think so. That is a bit of an over reaction, wouldn't you say? But, and sorry to offend you, I do like it.

And I am not alone. Yet another positive review :

http://research.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp?revid=51312&makeid=43&modelid=5764&year=2008&revlogtype=19&section=reviews

Now I know how anything positive on the '08 Vue upsets the old die hard obsolete Vue owners so....well...get used to it. And there is nothing wrong with not liking it...why would there be? Just like, obviously, there should be nothing wrong with liking it, you would think.

You are correct sir! No profile. Does that concern you? Apparently it does. Good.

Listen now, if you cannot accept the fact that more and more are finding more positives than negatives about this all new product then continue to wallow in your past. But DO NOT use personal innuendo's or suggest alterer motives of those that favor it.....not polite.

[greyhound bus]

Hey, if you like it FINE! , If you don't, that should be fine too. But it gets a little old being told you are out of touch because you haven't enbraced the new "Thing". I'm just a little of suspicious of someone who has no track record here suddenly fawning all over a product that few have seen in person, fewer have driven, and NOBODY, or close to it have actually bought and had any REAL WORLD experience with. I hope for GM's and Saturn's sake, the car is a success, but I have my doubts. The press fawned over the Aura, and those things sure aren't moving. I see another product that will draw luke-warm at best response with the buying public, whether the thing turns out to be any good or not. I am seldom swayed by car reviews. What they seem to be looking for, and what I am looking for never seem to jive.


2007 Vue FWD V6- Storm Gray, GT velour seat covers, Trailer hitch, Saturn hitch cover, Cargo mat, Vent Visors, Rear air deflector, Splash guards, Custom Saturn front license plate, Chrome exhaust tip.

[K-1]

I posted a link to the survey. I don't claim powers of clairvoyance to gleem details of a survey that are not printed/posted. You're just choosing to be argumentative because the survey doesn't fit with your fairytale view of the world. *shrug*

The link is there for all to see. Believe what you want.

Best,That's the thing with Consumer Reports, they release results of surveys, but don't release anything regarding their surveying techniques or the data they've collected. Perhaps the results were skewed to fit their readership's fairytale view of the world? Maybe people said they wouldn't buy another 'Nox because they wouldn't need an SUV next time. Maybe they liked the vehicle, but wouldn't buy a Chevy because of the dealer. We'll never know because everything beyond the published results is "proprietary". What I know, is that our 'Nox has been spot on, delivering tens of thousands of trouble-free miles and we'd definitely buy one again.

[Ritz]

That's the thing with Consumer Reports, they release results of surveys, but don't release anything regarding their surveying techniques or the data they've collected. Perhaps the results were skewed to fit their readership's fairytale view of the world? Maybe people said they wouldn't buy another 'Nox because they wouldn't need an SUV next time. Maybe they liked the vehicle, but wouldn't buy a Chevy because of the dealer. We'll never know because everything beyond the published results is "proprietary". What I know, is that our 'Nox has been spot on, delivering tens of thousands of trouble-free miles and we'd definitely buy one again.

I suspect you just have fairly low expectations. That would make you the ideal GM customer. Barring any evidence that CR's data is "biased" I'll give your conspiracy theory all the consideration that I feel it's due. Feel free to ignore the survey if that makes you happy.

Best,

[BobbyP]

You are correct sir! No profile. Does that concern you? Apparently it does. Good.

You have a hidden agenda. Everyone on this forum needs to keep that in mind when they read your posts.

We'll all be reading the reviews, and "real" posts from 2008 VUE owners. We'll find out the true strengths and weaknesses of the 2008 VUE.

It should be an interesting year. I predict CR will rate it behind the RAV4, CR-V and Outlander.

[MarvC]

You have a hidden agenda. Everyone on this forum needs to keep that in mind when they read your posts.

We'll all be reading the reviews, and "real" posts from 2008 VUE owners. We'll find out the true strengths and weaknesses of the 2008 VUE.

It should be an interesting year. I predict CR will rate it behind the RAV4, CR-V and Outlander.
Bobby,
I looked at the stock which came in at Saturn of Arlington last night, Alex my son is a tech there.
This is going to be one of those you either like or dislike like everything else. I spent an hour with the 08. These were not for sale nor being displayed to the public
Yes they have lost a lot of cargo space in the hatch area and yes the interior is a nice upgrade from the previous VUE's.
I posted a few of my thoughts in a thread you might want to take a look at.
It shines in some areas and needs refinement in others just as any new first run auto displayed to the public does, you just need to see the car and judge for yourself that is the best way to see if it would be your cup of tea or for that matter anyones.
Is it a dynamic upgrade which knocks you socks off, in my opinion not really. It has a ways to go to match the build quality of the Honda's, Nissan's, and Toyota's but a good start.
Just my two cents worth after spending some time with an 08 and prodding around under the chassis, seats, hatch areas etc.

Take a look at the unit when it arrives and make the decision for yourself you are the one that matters no one else.

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100174

[junie]

BP...You are nonsensical. No public profile means you have no credibility? Really? Somehow a public profile gives credence to posts on any website....come on. I like the 2008 Vue XR AWD w/3.6L 257HP 6 speed trans. And I just might purchase one. And that, to you, means I have an agenda? Paranoia is the first thing that comes to mind. If there is an agenda it may well be yours. Picking apart the Vue before you have seen or driven it. Why is that huh? Just what is your agenda anyway?...I suspect your public profile is bogus.

[mellissam]

......Now I know how anything positive on the '08 Vue upsets the old die hard obsolete Vue owners so....well...get used to it.
....
Obsolete? Expressing an opinion hardly makes one obsolete....

......And there is nothing wrong with not liking it...why would there be? Just like, obviously, there should be nothing wrong with liking it, you would think.....
Did you and Rumsfeld go to the same English school? ;)
There are many reasons not to like it....500lbs heavier and worse gas mileage, for a start....

...... But DO NOT use personal innuendo's or suggest alterer motives of those that favor it.....not polite.
So, you’re saying personal innuendos and ulterior motives are ok? LOL:)
Well, here is a fact, the new VUE gets worse gas mileage than the old…..the weight might have something to do with it….just a suggestion.

As I’ve said, I am warming up to the interior, but the exterior is just like an Asian copy (Hyundai Tuscon, Kia Sorrento, Honda CRV, Toyota Rav etc…)

[junie]

Obsolete? Expressing an opinion hardly makes one obsolete....


Did you and Rumsfeld go to the same English school? ;)
There are many reasons not to like it....500lbs heavier and worse gas mileage, for a start....


So, you’re saying personal innuendos and ulterior motives are ok? LOL:)
Well, here is a fact, the new VUE gets worse gas mileage than the old…..the weight might have something to do with it….just a suggestion.

As I’ve said, I am warming up to the interior, but the exterior is just like an Asian copy (Hyundai Tuscon, Kia Sorrento, Honda CRV, Toyota Rav etc…)

huh??

[SaturnPlanet]

I love lamp.

[ciciusss]

You have a hidden agenda. Everyone on this forum needs to keep that in mind when they read your posts.

We'll all be reading the reviews, and "real" posts from 2008 VUE owners. We'll find out the true strengths and weaknesses of the 2008 VUE.

It should be an interesting year. I predict CR will rate it behind the RAV4, CR-V and Outlander.

Consumer Report's never particularly cared for the "old" Vue. It's numerical score (for the V6) was a 49, which placed it below midpack in it's category. The 08 Vue, particularly the XR trim will score much better in CR's testing. It will be considered a much more competitive entry in the compact SUV category. Whether it rates better than the RAV4, CR-V and Outlander remains to be seen.

[ciciusss]

I posted a link to the survey. I don't claim powers of clairvoyance to gleem details of a survey that are not printed/posted. You're just choosing to be argumentative because the survey doesn't fit with your fairytale view of the world. *shrug*

The link is there for all to see. Believe what you want.

Best,

Ritz,

The methodology of the survey is quite important. Typically, Domestic manufacturers have not done as well in Consumer Report's surveys as compared to other surveys (Strategic Vision, Auto Pacific, PolK, JD Powers, etc.)

Since this is a Saturn site, the Vue's satisfaction score is good, which places it midpack in CR's survey. The Element, Rav4, Forester, Xterra, Baja and CR-V have better satisfaction scores, whereas the Liberty, Escape, Sorento, Equinox, Torrent, and Sportage had worst satisfaction scores than the Vue.

However, The Vue was tops in Strategic Vision's TQA and did quite well in Auto Pacific's satisfaction survey. Obviously, the differences between these surveys could be caused by a number of factors.

[cdp326]

Hey, if you like it FINE! , If you don't, that should be fine too. But it gets a little old being told you are out of touch because you haven't enbraced the new "Thing". I'm just a little of suspicious of someone who has no track record here suddenly fawning all over a product that few have seen in person, fewer have driven, and NOBODY, or close to it have actually bought and had any REAL WORLD experience with. I hope for GM's and Saturn's sake, the car is a success, but I have my doubts. The press fawned over the Aura, and those things sure aren't moving. I see another product that will draw luke-warm at best response with the buying public, whether the thing turns out to be any good or not. I am seldom swayed by car reviews. What they seem to be looking for, and what I am looking for never seem to jive.
You're not the problem.

The problem is the people who insist on saying that the 2008 VUE is going to be unsuccessful, because of this or that. Instead of waiting to actually see the car in person, it's better to slam the vehicle before it's on sale.

PS: Back in 1999, Car and Driver ranked a Mitsubishi Galant and an Oldsmobile Alero ahead of the Toyota Camry. What sold better and still does? The Camry. The press has influence, but they can't change the public's views with a couple reviews.

[BobbyP]

BP...You are nonsensical. No public profile means you have no credibility? Really? Somehow a public profile gives credence to posts on any website....come on. I like the 2008 Vue XR AWD w/3.6L 257HP 6 speed trans. And I just might purchase one. And that, to you, means I have an agenda? Paranoia is the first thing that comes to mind. If there is an agenda it may well be yours. Picking apart the Vue before you have seen or driven it. Why is that huh? Just what is your agenda anyway?...I suspect your public profile is bogus.

Junie you are a fake, a plant, a mole... You are not real... You are here just to decieve and try to pull the wool over peoples eyes.

I'm really enjoying the comments "real" people are posting about the new VUE. Read them and come back to reality.

[BobbyP]

PS: Back in 1999, Car and Driver ranked a Mitsubishi Galant and an Oldsmobile Alero ahead of the Toyota Camry. What sold better and still does? The Camry. The press has influence, but they can't change the public's views with a couple reviews.

How true you are cdp326... The first time I drove a Camry, I couldn't figure out why America buys them. It didn't do anything really spectacular. I was expecting this perfect driving machine, and it was far from that. I actually enjoyed the Alero more than the Camry...

[greyhound bus]

I don't know how good of a car it is, but I loved the styling of the Alero. I thought it was one of the very best looking cars in it's class.

[nakman]

Well, at least the 08 has some favorable press so, now it's up to GM/Saturn to market it and we'll see if folks beyond Saturn lovers will buy them in large quantities.

The press or auto mags providing an unbiased review? Nonsense!!!:drool:

[junie]

Junie you are a fake, a plant, a mole... You are not real... You are here just to decieve and try to pull the wool over peoples eyes.

I'm really enjoying the comments "real" people are posting about the new VUE. Read them and come back to reality.


Simple question BP....have you driven it?

[BobbyP]

Simple question BP....have you driven it?

I won't be back home for 2 weeks. Read the posts from the long time saturnfan members. I trust their opinions and have met several of them.

With most every redesign of a vehicle you'll find it loses attributes that made the previous design sucessful, and hopefully they add new functional attributes.

What I and many others noticed that many of the functional features of the old VUE have been replaced by a designer whose first priority was appearance. The two worlds can work together, but in the case of the 2008 VUE it shows the designer had carte blanche in the project.

[K-1]

Junie you are a fake, a plant, a mole... You are not real... You are here just to decieve and try to pull the wool over peoples eyes.

I'm really enjoying the comments "real" people are posting about the new VUE. Read them and come back to reality.WTF? These "real" people you refer to all seem to be last gen VUE owners (the only people with uber-negativity).

[SaturnPlanet]

At this point in the game, I'm not sure a lot of people have seen or driven the vehicle. The numbers alone may turn some people off, but thats okay. Like a few people have (wisely) stated, we will just have to wait and see what the buying public thinks. I'm not really expecting it to skyrocket sales, but I'm also not expecting it to tank.

And Bobby, I can tell you up front that I don't have an agenda. I sell Saturns for a living (pays for school), but I honestly care very little about the opinions I read on this forum, as they may or may not reflect the sentiments of the buying public in my market area. As I tell my customers everyday:

If you like it, buy it. I you don't, someone else will buy it.

[mellissam]

BP.......I suspect your public profile is bogus.

Well, if it makes any difference, I can vouch for BP's profile, plus if you'll notice the number of posts he has made, it makes him 'more legit' than someone who just recently registered, and has no profile....wouldn't you agree?
I fully support your enthusiam for the new Vue...bravo. However, other folks have their opinion, which is valid, no matter their view of the Vue....:)
Cheers

[junie]

Being just a little facetious. Sorry, should have known better in this environment. Though I don't think BP was in his rant. Wouldn't you agree? Geez, no one said anybody's opinion wasn't valid. Gotta get that profile up to date to a member of the "club".

Cheers

[GR898SL2]

Wow! Where did the extra 7-hp in the 3.6L V6 come from? Is this a typo or SAE certified rating?

:flag:

[junie]

All three of the engines were tweaked and re calibrated prior to production. The 3.6 is now 257 HP with 248 torque. Dealer ordering guides and early brochures have the old ratings. The press got the new numbers for their reviews of the product.

[BobbyP]

WTF? These "real" people you refer to all seem to be last gen VUE owners (the only people with uber-negativity).

Come on K-1 you know what I mean. Typically you would be the first to bite at someone who made outrageous ranting positive claims about any vehicle. Instead I countered with the obvious deficiencies of the 2008 VUE's redesign, and I've been Junie's best friend ever since.

Possibly the 2008 VUE will only appeal to people who never owned a VUE before. IMO the most happy ION owners are the one's that never owned a s-series. Unfortunately 02-07 VUE owners are the only ones that went out of their way to get an early look at the 2008 VUE.

When I check out the 2008 VUE XR, I'm going to do so with a very open mind. I can't help comparing it to is my 06 VUE Red Line. By no means do I feel my VUE is the most perfect SUV in the world. IMO the perfect vehicle does not exist.

[BobbyP]

Being just a little facetious. Sorry, should have known better in this environment. Though I don't think BP was in his rant. Wouldn't you agree? Geez, no one said anybody's opinion wasn't valid. Gotta get that profile up to date to a member of the "club".

Cheers

The keyword is "cult" in the Saturn culture...

[StormTrackVUE]

Now I know how anything positive on the '08 Vue upsets the old die hard obsolete Vue owners so.

Listen now, if you cannot accept the fact that more and more are finding more positives than negatives about this all new product then continue to wallow in your past.

"Obsolete"....."all new product"

Junie's definately an insider...most likely getting paid to hype it up.

Now don't get me wrong, I really like the new '08 VUE...looks great. I also, despite it's poor build quality, love my '03 VUE.

With that being said, I'd rather buy the Opel Antara and have it shipped here than to buy another vehicle with the Saturn brand name on it, simply because I have never been treated so poorly, lied to (proven), and been so dissatisfied by the treatment I received from the very service people who promised me when I bought the thing that they would treat me well. Saturn has a very long way to go to regain my support.

[StormTrackVUE]

And that, to you, means I have an agenda? Paranoia is the first thing that comes to mind.

I see this so often in my line of work that it's comical when I see it outside of work...

Dead give-away that you have a hidden agenda: Call someone "paranoid" when they reveal your deceptions and schemes. It's a psychological weapon and is used to discredit a whistleblower among his/her peers and also is intended to make the accuser feel guilty.

Junie, you're not fooling anyone.

[Dante]

"Junie's definately an insider...most likely getting paid to hype it up.


I must have been out riding my motorcycle when you guys passed around the angel-dust ganga or something... what is the deal with all this name calling and childish bickering? < dad voice >I am disappointed in you all!< / dad voice >

Let's stick to the topic, shall we?

Edmunds gives bland, unoffensive reviews. If Hyundai tried to sell a 500 pound loaf of camel dung, they'd say it "has an earthy aroma, with earth tones inside and out, and is eco-friendly". Come on. Weak sauce.

I personally am not terribly enamored with the 08 Vue from what I've seen, but I reserve my judgement until I drive one and have the time to inspect one personally. If there's one at Saturn of Arlington, odds are there's one at Saturn of Hurst, which is where I bought my Vue, and it's on my way home, so I'll drop by soon to see if they have one I can check out. Until then, chill out with your bad selves!